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I wonder how the user who wrote that Cyrillic(Glagolithic) alphabet is a product of Macedonian culture doesn't feel ... at least uncomfortable. I would have removed this part but I do not feel the need the guys from Macedonia feel to prove that the culture of the whole Balkans is their culture. NaibStilgar
The article is definitely NOT about culture of that republic. Therefore it should not be labeled as such. 217.140.193.123 13:06, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Anyone feeling uncomfortable with the contents of this article re eras (or ethnicities), are, imo, entitled to write portions that distinguish what has been ancient Macedonian culture and/or adjacent Greek Macedonian culture, what has been Slavonic Macedonian culture, etc. I recommend to keep it distinguished by era after era, and not going to fight what is which ethnic group's contribution. (Though I know that almost everyrthing can be battled here on basis of ethnicity). Arrigo 16:00, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
This article is definitely not about any geographical regions, it's only about FYROM and medieval Bulgaria. The title needs to be moved back to 'culture of republic of Macedonia' and all the references to 'Macedonians' need to be replaced by Macedonian Slavs. Also the article mainly talks about the culture of medieval Bulgaria or whatever Slavic population inhabited the region which did not recognise themselves as Macedonian (despite what current FYROM nationalists want to believe). Miskin 11:41, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Oh yeah, one more detail. Despite what you people are told in school, there's no historical reference of a Slavic ethnic group calling itself "Macedonian" prior to the 20th century (and I challenge anyone to prove me the opposite). Also, prior to the Balkan Wars, the region of Macedonia was very different from the one described in the introduction of the article. For those reasons I think that the title "culture of RoM" is still misleading, as 80% of the article refers to medieval Slavic culture, in a region which at the time was not considered by anybody as "Macedonia" and its Slavic inhabitants recognised themselves as Bulgarian or Serbian. This circus of an article will be cleaned up for being so disgustingly POV and unscientific, so unless any of its editors have any counter arguments to what I've said, I don't see a reason to wait any longer. The question that remains is whether move back to "culture of RoM" and remove all references to Macedonian Slavs prior to the Balkan Wars or just edit the currect article and add neutral information. In my opinion it's retarded to have an article about the culture of a multiethnic region of varying borders, so I vote to either ditch the currect article for good, or move it to "Culture of (FY)RoM" and remove the POV rubbish. One thing is certain, that in its currect state this piece of trash is an embarrassment to wikipedia and the NPOV policy. Miskin 12:34, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
1."there's no historical reference of a Slavic ethnic group calling itself "Macedonian" prior to the 20th century" Which is why I reverted your vandalism to this page. You just admitted to adding info you knew to be incorrect. 2. "disgustingly POV and unscientific" All of this info came from official government websites. 3. "move back to "culture of RoM"" This has already been discussed. This is incorrect. You already previously stated in your argument that this does not apply to the RoM. 4. "POV rubbish" How is this article pov? freestylefrappe 17:53, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
Freestylefrappe said: The idea that Slavic Macedonians just "popped" out of nowhere in the 20th century is ridiculous. Fair enough to have a POV, the problem is when you try to pass it as common knowledge. So I'm not going to spend my time to disprove what you just said by explaining how and why the Slavomacedonian ethnic group did popup in the 20th century, instead I'm just going to ask you to provide some reliable sources which back up your claims by verifying the existence of the Slavomacedonian group prior to the 20th century. As you have probably noticed yourself there are no sources in the bottom of the article, and something tells me that did not just forgot to put them there... If you fail to provide any valid sources, then you realize that I'll have no choice but to edit the article in order to make it reflect historical reality. Miskin 13:38, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. Ryan Norton T | @ | C 02:17, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I think that, according to "Macedonians (ethnic group)" article, this one should be renamed as "Macedonian culture". The culture of the other parts of the region of Macedonia is described in the country's culture the certain part is in anyway. Just to remind, "Slavic" is NOT according the NPOV policy. Bomac 19:31, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
I'll move this page to "Macedonian culture (Slavic)". It is more "representative". Bomac 10:46, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
In my humble opinion this article should refer to the "Culture of (FY)RoM" or the "Slavic Macedonian Culture" or the "Northern Macedonian Culture". In any case I believe there should be a clear distinction from a general "Macedonian Culture". Thank you.
In the "See also" section I noiced a link to the article Cultural bias. Not only is it inappropriate and in no way related to anything, but it's also a bit insulting. Therefore I removed it. -- B. Jankuloski 01:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
"Prior to the Renaissance, while the rest of Europe was still in the middle ages, Byzantine builders and artists were embodying iconography and creating frescoes as early as the 11th century."
This is retarded. First, it is dubious whether Byzantine culture in the region and the Slavic population should be regarded as one and the same. Second, if the criterion for having left the Middle Ages is painting icons and frescoes, I'll eat my freaking hat. Third, it's not important enough for the lead. And BTW, "Middle Ages" is written in capitals. I'm removing the sentence. -- 91.148.159.4 22:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
The above's content was just a duplication of the relevant section within this article. Therefore I've merged (i.e. deleted the content) and redirected it here. We can always separate them in two entities when sufficient material surfaces and expand accordingly. Please, share your thoughts or objections. -- 157.228.118.212 ( talk) 02:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Since the above page is " very short and is unlikely to be expanded within a reasonable amount of time" I think it" makes sense to merge it" here in a seperate section. We can always seperate them and expand when (or if) sufficient extra matterial emerges. -- 157.228.118.212 ( talk) 03:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
The article defines Macedonian culture as "the culture of the South Slavic ethnic Macedonian population...", yet the Architecture section, for example, expands on 14th century Islamic mosques, archaeological remains from classical antiquity etc. Perhaps those items should/could be moved to Republic of Macedonia? 3rdAlcove ( talk) 12:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Half of those names are of Slavic origin. Who in the Bible is called Vladimir or Zlatan? I removed the "...of Biblical origin" due to this.
I moved Macedonian culture (Slavic) to Macedonian culture (ethnic group) because of the following reasons:
But you're saying the culture is an ethnic group, which doesn't make any sense. It's like calling the Macedonian script "Macedonian alphabet (ethnic group)". kwami ( talk) 07:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I have moved it back to ...(Slavic). The disambiguator "(ethnic group)" just doesn't work linguistically. As Kwami rightly said above, having a noun in dismambiguation brackets implies that "Macedonian culture" actually is an ethnic group, which is just nonsensical. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:52, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
It is often for non-Macedonians dealing with Macedonian subjects to see an issue regarding the surnames. For instance, why Ilija Najdoski surname is often written as Najdovski? (his son even had an article here as Dino Najdovski). A word about surname customs in the "Names" section would be great. FkpCascais ( talk) 03:50, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
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Right now, the article purports to refer to the culture of ethnic Macedonians ("Macedonian culture is the culture of the ethnic Macedonian population") and is thus appropriately titled 'Macedonian culture'. However, all the subsections refer to the culture of the country of North Macedonia (Music of North Macedonia, Cinema of North Macedonia etc.) and include many references to things like Islamic architecture and the Manaki brothers (who were Aromanians), which pertain to the country but nor the ethnic group.
On the other hand, there is no reference to anything related to ethnic Macedonians outside of North Macedonia, nor in my view should there be, since this would be covered by articles like Macedonian diaspora and Slavic speakers of Greek Macedonia.
This is consistent with the practice in other similar articles ( Culture of Greece, Culture of Montenegro, Culture of Bosnia Herzegovina etc.) which all refer to countries and not ethnic groups. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.129.52 ( talk) 23:22, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
I, therefore, suggest changing the title to 'Culture of North Macedonia' and adjusting the first sentence accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.129.52 ( talk) 23:17, 13 February 2019 (UTC)