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The redirect is not appropriate and seems to represent a clumsy attempt an censorship. This phrase has entered into fairly common usage now and merits a page of its own. The reference to the frankfurt school can be a link, but that obscure historical usage is at most a footnote. Helper0237621 ( talk) 19:38, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
I am not sure how much can be written about "Cultural Marxism" on its own other than that it's a conspiracy theory, and giving examples of the term being thrown by right-wing celebrities. It hasn't got a rich history like the New World Order, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or similar ones. Perhaps if someone writes a draft with richer content, it could be considered to be established as an independent article. BeŻet ( talk) 10:19, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
In case editors may overlook it, there was a deletion review last September as seen here: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 September 6. It closed with no consensus to overturn but mentioned the possibility of discussion elsewhere. Thanks, Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 18:01, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi @ EdJohnston: or other admins, the redirect is broken because the section from that article has been removed and a separate article has been created Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory. Please could you fix the redirect so it goes there instead?
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John Cummings ( talk) 12:03, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
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In the spirit of WP:BOLD, healthy compromise, ease of finding information, and in light of the lack of consensus in both Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory and Marxist cultural analysis as to how the articles should be named, I've changed the page to offer links to both articles. Both articles have links to each other, and one of the few mutual agreements between both sides of the discussion on both of the pages concede that the term "Cultural Marxism" can refer to both the application of Marxist theory to critique of things other than class, or to the alt-right conspiracy theory that uses it as a basis.
Looking at the relevant Talk pages should be enough to demonstrate the ambiguity of the term on this page and justify offering both to those interested in the subject, and as contentious as the discussions may be, I believe that the simplest solution is to offer readers to look for the meaning they intended to find, rather than favoring one over the other. And again, both pages refer to each other, and both have very well sourced claims that the term "Culutral Marxism" is used to refer to each depending on the context. Nerfdart ( talk) 00:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
the term "Cultural Marxism" can refer to both the application of Marxist theory to critique of things other than class, or to the alt-right conspiracy theory that uses it as a basis- no, there is no agreement on this premise. Please see the recent discussions on both Talk:Marxist cultural analysis and Talk:Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory, which have both reached the opposite conclusion. The usage of "Cultural Marxism" as a synonym of Marxist cultural analysis has always been at the periphery of the field, and it is only subscribers to the conspiracy theory who argue the contrary. Newimpartial ( talk) 01:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Bit underhand that Cultural Marxism redirects here, and not to Marxist cultural analysis page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obsteve ( talk • contribs) 16:28, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
The fact that the term was littered throughout scholarly literature for decades can quickly be seen by entering it in Google scholar. It has also been commonly used as a conversational shorthand for decades and, in all likelihood, even before the term initially appeared in print in 1973 in Trent Schroyer's The Critique of Domination: The Origins and Development of Critical Theory. That a collection of interviews on North America's leading Marxist literary theorist, Frederic Jameson, edited by Ian Buchanan in 2007, could appear under the name Jameson on Jameson: Conversations on Cultural Marxism, should confirm what anyone who has watched its evolution knows: that the term was not originally a perjorative term, it was purely descriptive, and was used rather loosely to refer to cover a common approach to literary and cultural studies of the sort pioneered in Critical Theory by the Frankfurt School, but also in British Marxist literary studies as found in Raymond Williams and his students.
The arguments in favor of deleting the entry were were passionate, but grossly methodologically deficient in appraising what counts as "evidence" for the meaning of any term, or existence of a practice.As an editor, I 100% endorse the position of Guan and Cristaudo on this.
Sennalen ( talk) 17:19, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Cultural Marxismin either of the senses you are discussing. If you actually intend to bring
the actual consensus of RS to the topic area- well, that consensus isn't reflected in these co-authors writing outside their field to defend their choice of book title, and it isn't
that "cultural Marxism" is a phrase that is also used entirely free of conspiracy connotations to refer to the Frankfurt School or Birmingham School. The phrase has been used aleatorically to refer to any number of things, but there isn't any notable or consistent usage outside of the conspiracy theory (and only a minority of recent RS even entertain the question, which you propose to answer, against policy, in
unambiguous wikivoice). Newimpartial ( talk) 17:30, 21 February 2023 (UTC)