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Bah. All this research shows is that the modern construct of "bipolar disorder" is very similar to our centuries old notion of how artists should act. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrownApple ( talk • contribs) 01:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
The concept of creativity covers much wider ground than merely individuals with bipolar disorder. Every person has the ability to be creative. There is no logical resaon for them to be linked together.
The article requires citations. If material cannot be producted to support various statements, those statements should be deleted. Several of the articles "cited" are not available as cited, and so that material should also be deleted unless an interested editor can find material that meets the wikipedia standard of being verifiable. DPeterson talk 23:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
This article is in an extremely poor condition. As DPeterson says, proper cites are required for the assertions in the article: the current "works cited" format is less than ideal. -- The Anome 20:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Maybe people should make some effort to check and cite the existing references? I think there are about 6 references listed that aren't linked into the article. -- Zeraeph 15:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Just an idea, but I don't have any preformed ideas or opinions on the topic of the article (except that, until it is established with me as a topic at all I am not sure if it should BE an article), I just floated in on a current of free association from a couple of other articles. Perhaps a good way to resolve this would be to try and "sell" me on your own opinions, and see who wins?
Let me point out that I'm only swayed by hard evidence I can check out for myself, and any kind of "politic" tends to prejudice me. So, even just for interest, why not make your cases and show me your evidence? -- Zeraeph 18:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I have an idea on how to reformat the article even further.
I've found an excellent article published in Psychiatric Times in 2005, which cites a considerable number of sources:
The list of citations given at the end of this Psychiatric Times article looks like a good place to start in a literature search on this topic. -- Karada 11:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Here are some articles in a peer reviewed journal discussing the link between depression and creativity. (Feel free to add to the list.) -- Jason C Daniels 19:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps we should also have some material on the recently suggested links between schizophrenia and creativity, and move this article to creativity and mental illness? -- The Anome 12:59, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
In the case of bipolar disorder, several other sources are also cited, which are published in peer-reviewed journals. TWF is important because of its influence on public perception of the postulated link, and its effect on public opinion and later research.
Regarding the postulated link between schizophrenia and creativity, a quick Medline search for "schizophrenia creativity" finds numerous papers, although I haven't got time to go through them now: until we have properly cited sources, I'm not going to address the suggested schizophrenia link. -- The Anome 14:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Since I began taking drugs to help me cope with bipolar disorder, I have indeed noticed that my creativity has decreased. For years I have kept a catalogue of ideas I intend to develop; lately my catalogue has been receiving fewer and briefer entries, and I find myself disinterested in what has been committed to file. I have also found it harder to concentrate and recall how I came across a line of reasoning.
I know my personal account doesn't belong in the article, but I hope that at the very least, others could chime in about their experiences. This could also be another direction to follow with the article: that of contemporary people finding their creativity affected either by their illnesses or their treatment. Writers of antiquity probably didn't comment on their emotional experiences, much less how they were affected. — Nahum Reduta ( talk) 03:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
I also take drugs to manage episodes of bipolar disorder. I think the changes for me on medication have been 1. less impulsivity - less urge to go off on tangents and take up projects 2. better concentration and ability to carry through projects 3.no more grandiosity and feelings that what I do is significant and creative I agree with Nahum that discussions about how people find their creativity can be useful. I am a clinical psychologist and I work with people learning to manage bipolar disorder. The choice to take medication or not often revolves around how people think the medication would affect their work and relationships Gingercat2941 ( talk) 12:24, 14 January 2011 (UTC) User:Meg Smith. 14 January 2011
I also take medication and even before I got diagnosed I was always very creative I am a musician among other things I have friends who have mental Illness some are not creative at all while others are very some are creative and also think out of the box and see the world different I know from experience And also from people I meet and know also people without any sort of illness can be creative I think the discusson here is yes you don't have to have a mental illness to be creative Just look at history — Preceding unsigned comment added by Insightin ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
I can also echo this sentiment. But there seems to be a reciprocal relationship between inspiration/creativity and the wherewithal to actually bring these ideas to fruition. I no longer pace around my house coming up with novel "theories of everything" but I can sit down to do my job. Maybe one day I can look back on my "catalogue of ideas" (I keep one as well :P), and have the patience/dedication to actually make one of them. Up until recently, I was very fortunate to hold a research position where novel thinking is a much cherished and enviable ability. However, when it turned out I didn't have the discipline to carry any of these novel ideas out, the patience of my colleagues grew very thin. Medication can help us find a golden mean, allowing us to transcend beyond the "crazy relative of creative genius" role that so many of our ancestors embodied. We should be so grateful to have that opportunity. 67.163.247.78 ( talk) 17:05, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
The idea that bipolar people are creative is, in my decades of experience dealing with them, rubbish. They make almighty mountains of bad art, not because they're driven by creative insights. It's simply because they can't hold down jobs. Secondly, this article starts off saying great figures of history have been bipolar but the list provided instead actually says 'may have been' and a lot of them aren't artists. For example, the very first one is a shooting victim. This does not make him an artist.
Bipolar people are special in the same way that people with broken legs are special. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.173.167 ( talk) 20:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Since the 1960s at least, the idea that creativity and bipolar has been around, and certainly madness and creativity is an older schema popular in fiction. However, this article is full if "may have" and "supposed" and "suspected". Sorry, this isn't science. I move to shorten the article and make it a smaller part of a larger text, possibly about the representation of mental illness/bipolar in society and art.
The poster above's comments are acerbic but may indicate a statistical bias in why we associate bipolar with creativity: bipolar patients don't gravitate toward maths-heavy employment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.175.208 ( talk) 12:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, none of the full reviews are free, but we should be able to get quite a bit just from the abstracts. MichaelExe ( talk) 02:05, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
New scientific study shows a link between creativity and mental illness
Thinking Outside a Less Intact Box; Thalamic Dopamine D2 Receptor Densities Are Negatively Related to Psychometric Creativity in Healthy Individuals PLoS ONE, online 17 May 2010
http://ki.se/ki/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=130&a=100727&l=sv&newsdep=130
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0010670
plenty of material on google about this http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=creative+schizotypal&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
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Penbat (
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20:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
its often thought that dyslexics are often particularly creative. -- Penbat ( talk) 14:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
The section lists just a handful of people. That list could easily go on as an entire article, if it'd be of value to wikipedia. 50.137.247.29 ( talk) 22:27, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
There are plenty of nice anecdotes about the "mad genius" hypothesis but more rigorous analysis points to the possibility that this is just confirmation bias. This article is written like it's an empirical fact but at best it is a debated topic.
http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/2009-06908-006 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3935122/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.228.120 ( talk) 20:39, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Also: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26186754?dopt=Abstract — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.64.195.83 ( talk) 16:25, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to request an edit with this page in the opening paragraph.
The opening paragraph reads: "Parallels can be drawn to connect creativity to major mental disorders including: bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, major depressive disorder, anxiety disorder, and ADHD. For example, numerous studies have demonstrated correlations between creative occupations and people living with mental illness. There are cases that support the idea that mental illness can aid in creativity, but there is also strong support that mental illness does not have to be present for creativity to exist."
I would like to request that "mental disorders" be changed to "mental illnesses" as this is the terminology that is used throughout the mental health and addictions medical world and "mental disorders" suggests that someone suffering from this illness has a disorder - which as defined is a disruption of a normal physical or mental function. The illnesses listed are illnesses like any other.
Thanks kindly in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.175.244.4 ( talk) 00:25, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
This heading is kind of silly in my opinion. The text below provides evidence that isn't strong enough to support this claim, so having a heading that has this level of certainty is misleading. I think it should be changed to "correlation between mood and creativity" or something to that effect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tightopal ( talk • contribs) 14:39, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the notable individuals section is for. Is it just a list of people who have spoken about their experience of mental illness and creativity? Is where others have speculated? Is it more formal case studies? Or should there just be links to List of people with schizophrenia, List of people with bipolar disorder, and List of people with major depressive disorder? OsFish ( talk) 04:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm suggesting this move as it would provide a more neutral title to the topic of the relationship between creativity and mental health. The current title presumes there is a negative relationship between creativity and psychological well-being and thus is biased. In addition, creative activities can be good for mental health. OsFish ( talk) 06:30, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Van Gogh is one of the most famous artists known for his unique creativity and is understood to have suffered from various mental illness. Can someone who knows more about him, please add him to the notable individuals section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.24.103.209 ( talk) 22:13, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved ( closed by non-admin page mover) -- Calidum 15:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Creativity and mental health →
Creativity and mental disorders – the content of the article is mainly about the link with
mental disorders.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:35, 13 October 2021 (UTC) — Relisting.
ASUKITE
17:05, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
“and hromised You a Rose Garden] as“ makes no sense. 62.63.228.38 ( talk) 22:16, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
I am adding some new content / references from PubMed to hopefully provide some more scientific evidence on the page. I am also going to add a short section discussing how creativity can have a positive impact on mental wellbeing. Please reach out if you have questions or concerns! Bch7677 ( talk) 21:17, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
After reading the section and its sources I felt that this section did not represent the research at all. I am adding some sources and hoping to represent what they say little more accurately. I am by no means an expert on this topic and would love feedback. I have the section rewrite in my sandbox that anyone can view. It doesn't have the sources in it yet but I can provide the sources for anyone interested in providing me with some feedback. Nrpm ( talk) 20:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
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