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Hi there, I'm new here. I think adding a subsection on religious freedom to this page would be an improvement. Religious freedom is an important topic to many readers with historic and cultural significance, and Johnson is a public figure in a position of political power whose recent actions implicate that issue. However, a new section with the heading Religious Freedom has been added and then edited multiple times to Discrimination in Healthcare, and all references to religion deleted from the section. The page already contained sections labelled Health and LGBT Rights, so I see no need for a new section on discrimination in healthcare. Also there are no sources listed that show discrimination against any healthcare patients occurred, or that Johnson said it occurred. Below is the proposed section. I understand the issues raised are controversial, but I think they can be covered with NPOV and appropriate care to BLP. Would appreciate comments. As I said, I'm new here. Willing to learn, but getting a little frustrated. Thanks in advance!
On May 1, 2020 Speaker Johnson publicly called on the New York City Council to not "continue allowing" [1] [2] [3] international Christian relief organization Samaritan's Purse to remain in New York City after the group set up a field hospital in Central Park in collaboration with Mount Sinai Health System to care for patients sick with COVID-19 in late March 2020. [4] [5] [6] The same day the Speaker publicly ordered Mount Sinai Health System to sever its relationship with Samaritan's Purse, [7] citing the group's expressions of religious belief regarding homosexuality [8] and religious practices in connection with the screening of its volunteers. [9] The following day Mount Sinai confirmed that the Samaritan's Purse field hospital would stop admitting patients on May 4, 2020. [10]
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Ergo there is no real cases to be made that Religious Freedom was denied SP, or that SP didn’t have the opportunity to provide non-judgmental competent care. They blew it and were kicked out. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 13:54, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
• Kelleher, Patrick (May 4, 2020).
"Franklin Graham dismisses coronavirus as a ploy to smear Trump after being told he can't use it to push his cruel homophobia".
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"Controversial Central Park field hospital closing". WPIX. 2020-05-03. Retrieved 2020-05-08.
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"Controversial Central Park Field Hospital to Close; Samaritan's Purse Staffers Will Stay at Mount Sinai". NBC New York. Retrieved 2020-05-08.
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"LGBTQ activists criticize partnership between NYC hospital and controversial religious group". FOX 5 NY. 2020-05-03. Retrieved 2020-05-08.
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"New York kicks out Franklin Graham's tent hospital he used to promote anti-LGBT+ agenda". Gay Star News. Retrieved 2020-05-08.
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"Controversial Central Park Field Hospital to Close; Samaritan's Purse Staffers Will Stay at Mount Sinai". NBC New York. Retrieved 2020-05-08.
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"» Anti-LGBTQ organization's New York field hospital for COVID-19 patients to close". Retrieved 2020-05-08.
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"Samaritan's Purse Central Park field hospital to close as virus cases drop in NYC". Religion News Service. 2020-05-04. Retrieved 2020-05-08.
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"Franklin's Graham's field hospital is to pack up its tents and go".
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Local officials, including City Council Speaker Corey Johnson, had called on Mount Sinai Hospital to close the field hospital over Samaritan's Purse's practice of requiring staff to sign a pledge against same-sex marriage."). WP:BLPSOURCES says "When material is both verifiable and noteworthy, it will have appeared in more reliable sources." Unless this receives significant coverage in reliable sources to demonstrate it is noteworthy to the article subject's biography, it should be excluded. – wallyfromdilbert ( talk) 17:14, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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I propose this as the section for documenting Johnson...fighting religious bigotry during the start of the Covid-19 pandemic: Proposed
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In March 2020 NYC became the main epicenter in the U.S. confronting the Covid-19 (coronavirus) pandemic, overwhelming the medical infrastructure. [1] Samaritan's Purse, an evangelical Christian aid group, volunteered to set up a field hospital in Central Park in April in conjunction with Mount Sinai Health System. [2] [3] Johnson wrote in a statement from city council: “This group, which is led by the notoriously bigoted, hate-spewing Franklin Graham, [4] [5] [6] [7] came at a time when our city couldn’t in good conscience turn away any offer of help. That time has passed. Their continued presence here is an affront to our values of inclusion, and is painful for all New Yorkers who care deeply about the LGBTQ community.” [1] [8] [9] The group, who was protested by other LGBTQ activists, [4] [5] [8] [10] and politicians such as NY Senator Brad Hoylman, [11] [6] [12] assured Governor Andrew Cuomo that they would not violate anti-discrimination laws but forced workers to sign faith statements against same-sex marriages, [11] [8] [12] [9] and were asked to leave, [4] [6] [7] at the same time the city had flattened the infection curve so the initial medical crisis had abated. [11] Mount Sinai severed ties with the group because of the politics and protests. [12] [7] [3] References
source surveySingles out Johnson (Some also mention Governor Cuomo): [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] quotes speaker Johnson: [1] [2] [3] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [4] [34] [35] [36] [37] [6] [7] [38] [39] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [27] uses full quote: [3] [29] [30] [31] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [6] [7] [38] [39] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] References
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Suggested compromise position: new paragraph under existing heading LGBT rights, rather than standalone section on COVID-19 Samaritan's Purse ControversyDuring the COVID-19 pandemic, he spoke out against a field hospital run by Samaritan's Purse in collaboration with Mount Sinai Hospital in Central Park, due to the evangelical Christian aid group's requirement that staff sign a pledge against gay marriage. [4] His comments drew criticism from religious activists. [5] [6] However, the departure of Samaritan's Purse from New York City was hailed as a victory by LGBTQ rights activists. [7] – Broom Bones ( talk) 02:27, 14 May 2020 (UTC) References
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Ok, I can't be the only one confused by multiple simultaneous proposals all being discussed at the same time, with alternatives being added in to others' proposals. So - can we pause, review, and discuss? From comments in all the above proposals, it seems to me that a) everyone accepts that the controversy should be covered; and that b) the only real dispute, then, is the extent of coverage? Sound reasonable so far? So - somewhere between Gleeanon409's approximately four lines and Broom Bones's approximately 1.5 lines. A compromise length would be approximately 2.5 lines. Gleeanon409 - what would you be willing to lose from your version? Broom Bones - what additional content would be acceptable to you?
Is a compromise worth pursuing? Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 18:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
(after edit conflict - this is a reply to Wallyfromdilbert): Other editors think it is worth mentioning. I am addressing the issue by asking involved editors to compromise. Again - this is about compromise. On BLP/N, Zaereth proposed working collaboratively, which is what I'm trying to do here. They also suggested that we "settle for a few lines." That's what I'm proposing. Up from Broom Bones' 1.5 lines, down from Gleeanon's 4 lines. And Gleeanon409 does seems to be willing to shorten their proposed version. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 23:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
In March 2020 NYC became the main U.S. epicenter of the Covid-19 (coronavirus) pandemic; because of this an evangelical Christian aid group, Samaritan's Purse (SP), volunteered a Central Park field hospital in conjunction with Mount Sinai Health System. [1] [2] [3] Johnson stated: “[They were] led by the notoriously bigoted, hate-spewing Franklin Graham, [and] came at a time when our city couldn’t in good conscience turn away any offer of help. That time has passed.” [1] [4] SP, who was protested by other LGBTQ activists and politicians, forced workers to sign faith statements against same-sex marriages, and were asked to leave; Mount Sinai severed ties with the SP because of the politics and protests. [3] [4] [5]
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link)References have been combined and put on the end of sentences. I see no reason to include that Johnson’s statement was lauded or, of course, disputed by Christian activists and Graham. Also omitted is the list of other reasons SP was upsetting people. I feel the intro context must be included as that’s what a good article would certainly do. Gleeanon409 ( talk) 13:38, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
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In March 2020 the city was the U.S. epicenter of the Covid-19 (coronavirus) pandemic; because of this an evangelical Christian aid group, Samaritan's Purse (SP), volunteered a Central Park field hospital in conjunction with Mount Sinai Hospital. [1] [2] [3] Johnson said in an official statement that was widely reported: "[They were] led by the notoriously bigoted, hate-spewing Franklin Graham, [and] came at a time when our city couldn’t in good conscience turn away any offer of help. That time has passed." [4] [1] [5] SP, who was protested by other LGBTQ activists and politicians, forced workers to sign faith statements against same-sex marriages, and were asked to leave; Johnson’s comments drew criticism from religious activists, but Mount Sinai severed ties with SP because of the politics and protests. [3] [5] [6]
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link)Broom Bones you have to write for someone who reads this ten years from now, the details of why Johnson states what he does are important, likewise the context of why SP was ever allowed to operate on city property like they did.
The idea that we’re trying to find a perfect 2.75 sentences is silly, we report the facts as well-written and concisely as needed.
The vast majority of criticism was unhinged from eight-wing blogs that are miles away from reliable. I can’t say I registered any really from reliable sources but I’ll certainly look at NYT again.
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(Apologies for lack of involvement today. Busy with work, then actually had a Friday night off. then some not-so-good Covid-related news. I'll contribute tomorrow Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:48, 15 May 2020 (UTC) )
Broom Bones, I looked again to find this notable criticism of Johnson’s statement, specifically the backlash for telling SP to leave the city. I found pretty much none.
The NY Times wrote, in total, “Mr. Graham’s critics have received their share of backlash. In an op-ed for The New York Post, Jonathan S. Tobin, the editor in chief of Jewish News Syndicate, said Mr. Johnson and other Democrats had demonstrated “ingratitude” to Samaritan’s Purse.” So we have vague and shared backlash, if any.
Most of the *reliable* sources reported Johnson’s statement, some in full, but there was almost no criticism / parsing of it.
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Corey Johnson, from 2008 to 2010, was a real-estate lobbyist or government relations director at GFI Development. [1] Anna Sanders reported Johnson received around a tenth of his mayoral campaign donations from "people who work for or serve hundreds of entities that have gotten millions in discretionary funds from the Council"; Johnson denied allegations of pay-to-play. [2] [3] Sanders and other sources mention other close ties to lobbyists, [4] [5] [6] especially the Kasirer lobbying firm, as one of its vice presidents, Jason Goldman, served as Johnson's deputy chief of staff. [7] [8] Soon after ending his campaign for mayor, Johnson reportedly moved to start a government relations consulting firm. [9] Johnson was hired by an Israeli tech firm as its United States government relations advisor, with a focus on New York. He will advise and "liaise with municipal and state officials". [10]
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I realize all of this information is pretty controversial, which is why I'm bringing it up to gague consensus before adding it to the article. Comments welcome. HueSurname ( talk) 12:27, 18 January 2022 (UTC)