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I made some links.
- We have an article for
Mary Laffoy. We don't seem to have one for Justice Sean Ryan, Judge of the High Court (per
http://www.childabusecommission.com/rpt/preface.php ).
Sean Ryan is a disamb page; he is apparently not included there.
- I linked the "types of abuse ... included in the Commission's mandate", however, "
Neglect" is a disamb page. We also have
Abuse and
Child abuse, which are also disamb-type pages or very general.
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201.37.230.43 (
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16:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
The coverage of this that I'm seeing in the general press seems to emphasize that this is a " Catholic Church" issue. Our article hardly mentions the Catholic Church. How should we handle this for NPOV and complete coverage of the facts? -- 201.37.230.43 ( talk) 16:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Lead formerly said "The Commission's report said testimony had demonstrated beyond a doubt that the entire system treated children more like prison inmates and slaves than people".
This distinction between "prison inmates and slaves" versus "people" bothered me, so I checked the cite to see if this was perhaps a quote.
It is - the original BBC source cited ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8059826.stm ) says, "The commission said overwhelming, consistent testimony from still-traumatized men and women, now in their 50s to 80s, had demonstrated beyond a doubt that the entire system treated children more like prison inmates and slaves than people with legal rights and human potential." (my italics)
This makes much better sense to me, so I added this, however our sentence is awfully close to the BBC original.
If the Commission report actually says something like this, let's quote and cite that, rather than BBC. Otherwise, we need to either reword this, or quote (and cite) BBC directly.
Thanks. -- 201.37.230.43 ( talk) 00:03, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
The timing of the problems is somewhat unclear. Is the abuse substanially ongoing? Had it largely died out by the time the commission was set up? Etc Nil Einne ( talk) 07:44, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Why the Catholic Church is not mentionated in the title, or in the first paragraph of the article? Why is not mentioned that there was Catholic Church institutions and Catholic priests and Catholic nuns. BTW - Shame on you catholics! —Preceding unsigned comment added by El Otro ( talk • contribs) 10:39, 23 May 2009
Where did this title come from? If this phrase can't be cited, it needs to be changed to something less Vague... perhaps suffix it with 'in Catholic Institutions' or something. On second reading, it seems to already have a name. the 'Ryan Commission'. Can someone provide a reason to not move this immediately to that? Yeago ( talk) 09:37, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
At this point I'm going to go ahead and add the template for WikiProject Catholicism to this page. It seems to me that this is appropriate.
Their mission is stated to be "improving Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to the Catholic Church".
If anyone feels that discussion of this is necessary, let's discuss.
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201.37.230.43 (
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14:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I was wondering, is there any word on what will happen from here on? The Commission's conclusions cannot directly be used for criminal proceedings, but surely there must be some organization interested in seeking further action, legal or otherwise (by "otherwise" I mostly mean campaigns or acts of lobbying). Does it end here or is it likely to continue in some way? I think it's a good idea to include any such plans in a section of its own. —msikma ( user, talk) 10:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Our section "Compensation deal" says:
"Religious organisations involved have openly refused to reopen compensation negotiation proceedings. [1]"
I think that we need to add some very specific lists of religious orders and organizations to the article, as there are many which are not involved in this matter in any way, some which have been found culpable, presumably others which have been investigated and found not culpable or only minimally culpable, etc. Additionally, and in the context of compensation, some have specifically acted to block compensation, while presumably there are others which have not.
My interest here is NPOV and fairness - let us name the specific names, and by doing so also avoid implication of guilt against the blameless.
I've taken a quick look at the actual report online and have not found this information obvious there. I don't plan to read the report in detail. Is there anyone who's familiar with the report (specifically the breakdown of religious orders and organizations) who could add this? (With cites, obviously.)
Thanks. --
201.37.230.43 (
talk)
00:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
References
I am boldly adding the template of WikiProjectPolitics to this page. Discussion is welcome. -- 201.37.230.43 ( talk) 15:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Added template of WikiProject Law. Seems appropriate to me. Discussion? -- 201.37.230.43 ( talk) 12:52, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
There are major errors and distortions in the current text of the article which need amending. More on this later. Xan dar 23:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay. I'll summarise some of my concerns. I got caught up in other business after starting this section.
Xan dar 23:50, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I've added parts on the historical aspects that may need trimming, down to Judge Laffoy's resignation, and also more on the 2002 CORI deal. Largely cited from the report and from Bruce Arnold's book The Irish Gulag; NB Arnold always spells Laffoy as Lafoy, which is irritating. Red Hurley ( talk) 14:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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