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While researching this band to write this article, I had a difficult time finding a reference stating who is currently in the band. The source currently listed in the members section from earlier this year is a reliable publication with a reputation for fact-checking accuracy. I have a hard time believing they made a mistake listing who is a currently in the band and what instrument they play, but it's not impossible. The other reason I went with this source was because it went into detail about Bob Rizzo and his contributions to the group, while none of the other sources even mentioned he ever played in Code Orange Kids. Obviously I'd like this section to be accurate and truthful, but it must also be verifiable and sourced properly. Please don't make any further changes without either discussing the changes or providing a new source. Thank you. Fezmar9 ( talk) 16:11, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
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Several IPs have been reverted for removing metallic hardcore from the infobox. However, I am in support of this change. It is the best sourced genre and as such I would leave it in the lead, but since it redirects to metalcore and is defined there as a hardcore punk-leaning strand of metalcore, it has zero informational when placed next to hardcore punk and metalcore in the infobox. It's basically repeating the same idea for no reason. If you compare "they are a hardcore band", "they are a band fusing hardcore with metal", "they are a band fusing hardcore with metal but more on the side of hardcore" you can see why suggesting the first two (which we have actual articles for) would be wholly sufficient.
Opinions?-- MA SHAUN IX 19:24, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Still, metalcore is the same thing as metallic hardcore. sourcing the same genres but with different names (e.g.: sourcing both metalcore and metallic hardcore) is completely repetitive. just use the term metalcore because most people will know that term. it's fine to use metalcore. it's fine. besides, if metallic hardcore isn't in the genre field but metalcore and we still use metallic hardcore in the lead, that would confuse many people. but putting both metalcore and metallic hardcore in the genre field is repetitive. nobody puts metallic hardcore in the genre field. Earth Crisis, Hatebreed, Integrity, Converge, Shai Hulud, Disembodied, Vision of Disorder, Rorschach, etc. all have metalcore in the genre field instead of metallic hardcore. Statik N ( talk) 03:12, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
@ User:Issan Sumisu: The band has stated that he is not a band member according to available sources. ref. Whatever wording the website uses does not overwrite what the band says. Bands decide who is their member, not websites or Wikipedia users. What the website describes is an observation of performances in videos. They don't decide who is a band member. The band does. And the source says that the band says he is not a member at the moment. So stick to what Morgan says in the source. Misinterpreting this source is spreading misinformation. Find WP:consensus instead of edit warring. Once the band says that Young is a member of the band, then he can be added to the same category with the band members. If the band says otherwise, Wikipedia is not going to jump to conclusions. Wikipedia is supposed to take actual "meaning" form a source, not just specific "words" and put them into wrong context.-- Concus Cretus ( talk) 14:10, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
As a whole several people wish to have the timeline show that Jami's primary instrument has now become vocals, however there is 1 user ( Isaan Sumisu) keeps on reverting these edits. I have researched 5 other bands to see their timelines and how they changed when there was a line-up change.
You will see how Spencer normally only does vocals in the studio and at live performances this translating into how his vocals were above his keyboards, after JD went on hiatus he began contributing his vocals more than other instruments and people on co-lead vocals have the vocals on the inner side and their primary instrument on the outside. Keyboards are not present that often at live performances so you can see nobody has prioritised keyboards.
You will see that Steve plays bass only on studio recordings (LIKE JAMI MORGAN) and so this is his inner instrument. Eric's clean vocals are also much more uncommon than his harsh ones.
As Ronnie is the band's lead singer, occasionally performing piano parts you can see that his vocals are the prioritised instrument and anyone else with the red vocals are co-lead vocalists who prioritise another instrument over their additional vocal lines, similar to backing vocals. Also Zakk Sandler at a point in 2019 would only be seen playing keyboards . He did also have an additional guitar once or twice a set and rarely in studios, and Ronnie also had a guitar that he would use occasionally during this time.
When Chris was a rhythm guitarist he was still the lead vocalist and as such his vocal line was on the outer side and rhythm guitar on the inner. However as Thomas Bell was a co-lead vocalist the rhythm guitar on the outer side and the vocals on the inner similar to everyone who had backing vocals. When Ricky had to take up the role of bassist he did so only in the studio and as such the bass line was on the inner side.
Keyboard were rarely performed live and less common in the studio so Monte Money and Thrasher Gruft have them lower in the hierachy. Co-Lead Vocalists Max Green, TJ Bell & Carson Allen have the vocal line in the inner region. As of now the band is using a touring bassist but in the studio bass duties are shared between Thrasher Gruft and TJ Bell so it can be seen on the inner side.
I'm not sure if this is what you meant by "original research" but I would like to state this to you plain and clear. Jami peforms vocals live and both vocals and drums in the studios as of currently. This is why they have hired a touring drummer, do you think that Jami still peforms drums live or is the issue you don't know how timelines work?