This article was reviewed by member(s) of WikiProject Articles for creation. The project works to allow users to contribute quality articles and media files to the encyclopedia and track their progress as they are developed. To participate, please visit the
project page for more information.Articles for creationWikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creationTemplate:WikiProject Articles for creationAfC articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Video games, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
video games on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Video gamesWikipedia:WikiProject Video gamesTemplate:WikiProject Video gamesvideo game articles
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
I actually don't agree with removing this page. This nomination was made to stop an edit war. My reasons for keeping it will be made below, and the approprate people will be contacted.
Oldag07 (
talk)
22:03, 11 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep- (Note I am the creator of this AFD) I started this page to shave off an edit war. So far, the people who want to turn this page to a redirect to
Civilization: Beyond Earth have not used this formal process of discussing the deletion of this page. Instead they have turned this page to a redirect without any debate. This page was originally created, and then moved to the "draftspace". It stayed there for a while until several edits were made a few months later and it passed an
WP:AFC. The main arguments for turning this page into a redirect is the fact that it is an "expansion pack" and a "DLC". First off there is an entire category for expansion packs
Category:Video game expansion packs so why is this page any different. On top of this, every single Civilization game expansion has a separate page. The second argument is that this is a DLC only expansion pack. There are several DLC only expansion packs on Wikipedia. Take for example Mass Effect 2: Lair of the Shadow Broker. I
quote one of the people who reverted the page into a redirect "I am fine with DLC having their own articles, if they have got a lot of press coverage." The last argument, and in my mind the strongest argument, for this page to be removed is the fact that it doesn't feel "complete". To be honest, I am way past my wikipedia prime, and really don't want to put a lot of time making it a "good article". This topic does have a significant amount of press, and it is notable. We should see it for its
WP:POTENTIAL. Removing it from the mainspace only discourages editors from adding to it.
Oldag07 (
talk)
23:20, 11 July 2016 (UTC)reply
History - A short summary of the history of the article:
Re-unredirected on July 11, 2016 by
Oldag07, who also started this AfD procedurally but with a !vote to keep in order to stop the redirect-warring
My opinion? It should have been left in draftspace where it was from October-2015 and until RHaworth decided to pull it out of the backstore in June-2016; everybody was content and working on other things. Thus, back to draftspace if there is still desire to work on it, or redirect it if not. ☺ ·Â
Salvidrim! ·Â
✉23:45, 11 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment- I respectfully disagree. There has been plently of press for the game, I just added 3 more sources. It fits the notability requirements. It is consistant with the rest of the civilization pages. Remove his one, and you should logically remove all Civilization expansion set pages, and probably all the Sims and Mass Effect expansion pages also.
Oldag07 (
talk)
23:56, 11 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment- I just made a huge expansion to the gameplay section. It should keep it out of the draftspace, though I might admit, it needs a lot of editing.
Oldag07 (
talk)
01:12, 12 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Weak Keep, Merge/Redirect otherwise I was going to state "Merge" but the one thing this article shows is that there was reception for the expansion (its just not expanded out in prose), which I think is a minimum requirement to justify it. Searching around google news, it looks like there's also a handful of development articles from ca. May 2015 that could be pulled into this
[1]. But that all said,
Civilization: Beyond Earth has plenty of space to expand that merging this into that won't bust the size aspect. --
MASEM (
t)
00:05, 12 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Meh, the point is to decide what to do with the article: delete, keep, or some other result? Redirect, merge and draftify are all valid AfD outcomes. In theory per BRD the onus of starting the discussion should have been on the reverted redirecter. It's what Czar has been doing as well -- redirect, and if reverted, take it to AfD. ☺ ·Â
Salvidrim! ·Â
✉04:07, 12 July 2016 (UTC)reply
The D in AfD changed from "deletion" to "discussion" (in spirit) when
SK#1 changed to no longer prohibit noms that openly advocated for redirection instead of deletion. Â czar06:08, 12 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Weak keep: Half of the article's references are just Metacritic and reviews, but the series normally does this for expansions. I say keep, but it could use alot of improvements. ~
Dissident93 (
talk) 12:40 am, Today (UTC−4)
Keep: I redirected it twice mainly due to the article's lack of content. Why do we need to create a separate page when majority of the information have already been covered in its parent article? I have never doubted the notability of the article, it is just that splitting off the page at that time was unnecessary. Since you have significantly expanded the section, it does not repeat the Beyond Earth subsection anymore, so my reasons in the Beyond Earth talk page aren't accurate anymore.
AdrianGamer (
talk)
05:15, 12 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep. Yes, it should be covered in depth in the main article. Yes, it is independently notable. It has
more independent reviews from our
vetted, reliable sources than most indie/mobile games. There is more than enough content to write a decent article on this subject. AfD is not cleanup—it is to establish whether sufficient sourcing exists, and it patently does, regardless of what is currently written and whoever (if anyone) will come to write it. Feel free to TNT the parts that are out of general content/verifiability compliance. This is actually a
Wikipedia:Speedy keep candidate since the nominator did not advance a deletion rationale. czar06:00, 12 July 2016 (UTC)reply
The way I see it, the nominator opened the AfD based on two other editor's rationale and intention to redirect. I'd rather let the discussion run its course to provide some sort of resolution to the redirect-warring. ☺ ·Â
Salvidrim! ·Â
✉14:14, 12 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment It would seem that one of the reverters, AdrianGamer, seems to have had a change of heart after the recent expansion of he article. SwisterTwister hasn't chimed in yet though.
Oldag07 (
talk)
22:10, 12 July 2016 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.