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Cisgender is commonly used as a derogatory term these days! 2607:FEA8:2D24:3600:CA34:E4B6:3808:AD0F ( talk) 13:20, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
The opening sentence: "Cisgender (often shortened to cis; sometimes cissexual) is a term used to describe a person".
The phrase "term used to describe" seems unnecessarily wordy and, as per WP:REFERS, in opening sentences, we use the term rather than describing it.
I'm not sure the best way to resolve this, perhaps "A cisgender person is a someone whose gender identity corresponds to their sex assigned at birth." ... similar to the transgender article.
TenToe ( talk) 20:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
We are going round and round in circles, as Daniel has described. This article has been around for over twenty years, and has always been about the word cisgender because there have always been reliable sources that talked about the word that support an article about it. Twenty years ago, or ten, even five, there was little to nothing in reliable academic sources studying cisgender people, and so you couldn't have an article about it. Afaict, that's still pretty much the case, but to answer TenToe's question, yes: if there are enough sources about cisgender people, then absolutely we can (and should) do something about it. But what you cannot do, is change the lead paragraph to be about cisgender people or the concept of cisgender as studied in academia, with all of the references and the entire body of the article being about a different topic, namely the word: when it was created, what it meant, precursors to it, evolution of the word, objections to the word, controversy about the word, and so on. That would leave the lead paragraph being about one topic and the body being about another, and per WP:AT policy, that is a no-go.
There was previously extensive discussion about this, and in order to support the desire for an article about cisgender people, I created a new draft stub to be about the concept of transgender, inviting people to develop it into an article. However, five months went by, and not one person stepped up. To prevent automatic deletion of the draft (formerly at Draft:Cisgender) at the six-month point, I had to move it to my user space. There was a lot of call for an article about cisgender people, but nobody actually wanted to contribute at that time; perhaps that has changed. If anybody wants to work on the draft, I will move it back to Draft space again. But absent an article or draft which actually talks about the topic of cisgender people, cisgender studies, cisgender whatever, you can't just slap a new lead sentence on this article, and pretend that it is about that, because if you actually read the article, it is clearly about the word.
This keeps coming up, and someone suggested we change the name of this article to Cisgender (word), and I'm starting to think that that is a good idea, because otherwise we will keep having this discussion every few months. If you want an article about cisgender people/studies/etc. I'm all for it; please start by gathering references for it, and I'll restore the Draft if anyone wants it. When it's done, that article can take over the main title, but until we have that, the opening sentence of this article needs to match the title, per article title policy. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 23:59, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
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Add Social Media news for 2023-2024 Twitter, where cis (often compared to fag) or even cissie (coincidently British spelling of sissy) is being used as slur, which leads it to being a bannable offense in February 2024. Exander77 ( talk) 13:09, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
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change "as assigned at birth" to "observed and recorded at birth" Happychatchic ( talk) 07:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
This is an extended justification for Special:Diff/1224910480.
Mathglot, citing Talk:Cisgender/Archive_7#Critiques argues that "consensus so far has been against including this". The same reason was given for Special:Diff/1168341849. The issue is that the consensus just doesn't work: you simply cannot use a 2015 article to deal with the July 2023 kerfuffle, it's not how sources work.
To make the content consistent with the source, there are only two possibilities: either you move the {{
as of}}
back to 2015, or you add a new source justifying the date. Dating it back is silly considering how much waves Musk made. The only logical thing, therefore, is to re-add information relating to the July 2023 Twitter incident.
There's also new development on this front (I realized this after the edit): the platform is apparently finally dishing out the suspensions it promised, just this week. I don't think there is a point in adding this update yet, since we are just saying "anti-woke [in a loose sense, I don't want to actually source this yet!] cisgender people don't like be called cis" here.
I should also bring in the old discussion participants, -sche, DanielRigal, and Historyday01. My understanding of what was achieved in the discussion seems to be that we all want to have some criticism from the conservative right without amplifying them too much. There's no consensus to ban mentioning what Twitter did, just that we don't want to repeat every thing Elon said verbatim. Neither I nor Strugglehouse was doing that.
Artoria 2e5 🌉 06:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Cisgender was first coined in 1991, well before Dana, by a german Volkmar Sigusch and it should be mentioned more clearly:
"In a 1991 publication, Die Transsexuellen und unser nosomorpher Blick ("Transsexuals and our nosomorphic view"), Sigusch coined the term cissexual (zissexuell in German).[disputed – discuss] As an antonym to transsexual, cissexual refers to a person whose gender identity matches their sex."
source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkmar_Sigusch 86.33.86.16 ( talk) 12:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)