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There is an inconsistency between the place of birth in the introduction and the body of this page (New Jersey vs. New York). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.185.188.81 ( talk) 06:21, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
There's nothing on the 1982 'Pink Robe' series here - can anyone add some detail? -- Air 14:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 11:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Further detail on the Sex Pictures series would also be beneficial —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.204.225 ( talk) 10:34, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
This is just a note to explain why the "Masters of Photography" link was removed. Although it contains some contents related to Cindy Sherman, it also contains a great deal of pop ups and advertisements. So it is questionable whether the content advances the information in this wiki article or is it simply an adspace website wrapped in real information. -- Muserna Muserna 18:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
The Masters of Photography Cindy Sherman link:(you've been warned on the pop-ups.)
http://www.masters-of-photography.com/S/sherman/sherman_articles.html
was she born in glen ridge or bay ridge? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 ( talk) 15:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC) she was born in Glen Ridge and shortly after moved to Huntington, Long Island —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.192.90.114 ( talk) 18:44, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
(Current last two external links do not go to images, but to a general artnet.com "galleries" page. -- March 1, 2013) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.83.97.16 ( talk) 17:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Regarding "Guest of Cindy Sherman"...
As my name is in the title and my work and self are so abundantly represented, I would like to counter any assumption that I am or wish to be personally associated with it. I am not a participant in any events related to the film's screenings in this festival or future presentations.
I apologize to all those who participated, thinking they were doing me a favor in giving interviews and otherwise assisting in the fabrication of this film.
Against my better judgment, it was clearly unwise to cooperate with the project at its inception.
according to the edit history, Cindy herself has reviewed her page and made edits. Cindy, the corrections are appreciated. Also, it is clear from a quick websearch that you are displeased with the "Guest of Cindy Sherman" movie. However... the movie is "out there" and it is appropriate to the popular culture section of the page, so please stop removing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.117.50 ( talk) 15:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Here is the information that gets deleted from the Cindy Sherman page every time it is put in, sometimes with a comment that says "I don't want this information in my page":
A feature documentary, "Guest of Cindy Sherman" has been completed about the travails of artist/videographer Paul Hasegawa-Overacker, aka Paul H-O and his many-year relationship with Cindy Sherman. Sherman was initially supportive of the project directed by H-O and Tom Donahue, but subsequently she changed her mind. [1] The film was accepted into the documentary competition of the 2008 Tribeca Film Festival in New York City where it had its world premiere. [2] Financed in part by the Sundance Channel, [3] it is expected to air there in 2009 [4]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Artumentary ( talk • contribs) 15:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Can we discuss why some of you consider it acceptable to censor this article? I understand that Cindy Sherman wishes that her ex-boyfriend did not make a documentary that mentions her. However, Cindy Sherman does not get to control the truth, nor does she get to control this page. She initially supported the project, even financed it according to what I hear, and the film was made and shown at Tribeca Film Festival, and it received high marks. This film is a more significant work of art than a number of the other works listed under popular culture, so deleting it while leaving in the rest is obviously at attempt to censor rather than to clean up or improve the article. Artumentary ( talk) 14:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Dear Modernist and Ethicoaestheticist, Could you guys get together and agree on the censorship of this paget that you would agree to? I made the change that Modernist suggested that Ethicoaestheticist had suggested, to make this popular culture item look just like the other ones and reference a separate article, but Modernist deleted that within a few minutes. Modernist, the suggestion to create a separate article, do you envision that being referenced from the Cindy Sherman page? Your comments thus far do not indicate what is the reason you have deleted the compromise that was suggested. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.117.50 ( talk) 17:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Response on your talk page... Modernist ( talk) 17:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I've been asked to comment about this edit. [5] At the moment the film info cannot be reinstated, because the information isn't verified. However, there are 25,000 google hits. [6] Likely suitable references include Tribeca Film Festival, [7] NYmag, [8], NY Times,. [9] [10] [11] NY Post, [12] Art Forum. [13] Village Voice, [14] Elle, [15] Artnet. [16] LA Times, [17] ArtNews, [18] Variety, [19] and NY Observer. [20] There's no problem about including the information once referenced. I think there should be some more information about it also, namely Sherman's participation and subsequent withdrawal. The subject of an article has the right to remove incorrect information, but not information that conforms to core policies of WP:V, WP:NOR and WP:NPOV. It would also be better placed in the Film and video section, not under Popular culture. Ty 01:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
While I agree in theory with the potential inclusion outlined by Ty above I strongly recommend a separate article; not knowing the reasons behind the fervent disavowal by the subject and her subsequent withdrawal, and having seen a disclaimer from the subject concerning the withdrawal and objections from the subject of the film to anything concerning it, I think those serious objections need to be acknowledged, respected and considered necessary in conjunction with anything about that film, and given those objections it would be better placed as a separate article... Modernist ( talk) 03:49, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Can we write it for an encyclopedia?
Plus refs of course. I thought the film had its premiere in New Zealand, or at least that's where it was first shown. As Modernist has pointed out, the film and relevant issues could be explored in more depth in a separate article also. Also, I would note that the editors you have been talking to have erred of the side of caution, which is no bad thing in itself, but I think this material is valid. Ty 23:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Here are some words from Cindy Sherman in regard to the post:
Guest of CS hasn't been picked up for distribution, there is no release date, no official word that it will ever be aired on the Sundance channel, other than what the filmmakers proclaim. Therefore, the is this film really "out there" if it is not available to the general public?
Its "world premiere" was at a film festival in New Zealand, not in NYC.
I am not trying to "control the truth" and many of you may agreed that documentaries can be far from objective and truthful. This is an unauthorized biography. While it purports to be a documentary about me, it's about Paul Hasegawa-Overacker who exploits my name to call attention to his own plight of not being the center of attention. Other than a few scenes that show me working in my studio, installing an exhibition & discussing my work, the film is a gossipy attempt to "prove" that he was with someone famous, therefore should be famous himself.
I was "initially supportive" of the project the same way I was initially supportive of the relationship. Big deal. The guy didn't have a job so was totally living off of me "from what you hear" you could call that financing, since I financed everything he did while we were together.
My main objection to this "paragraph" is that it makes the film out to be more significant than the minor footnote that it is, which is in keeping with how Paul H-O would like to be remembered, as a more significant character in my life than just another ex-boyfriend. I am curious if anyone has actually seen the film, as one viewing would show that it's not an intelligent take on my work or the art world. It's gossip and I would like to believe that the high level of intelligence of this site would not support this type of documentary. Also, if no one has seen the film or had access to the film, does that not justify my first point?
Furthermore, the makers of this film have tried to put various spins on the
fact that I've disassociated myself from it, which I found necessary to do
upon hearing, in order to sell tickets, their claims that I would appear at
screenings.
The fact that I had the right to my image in the film & therefore edited out snapshot footage of myself at the beach, on vacation & at holiday parties (really not relevant to an analysis of my work), was spun into my censoring of the film. None of the footage of me working in the studio, installing or discussing work was removed, even though numerous scenes make me cringe.
Of your References section, 7 of 10 concern this film. Since when is this objective, when a 30 year career in photography is summed up in 3 references compared to 7 for a film that was spun out of the capitalization of my name? I'm still confused by the strong fight to keep the film's mention on my page, does it go further than just maintaining the validity and reputation of the site, which I am all for?
Lastly, it's been suggested that I should now contribute to updating my own Wikipedia page in order to balance out the lesser importance of this film. I did not realize that this was the responsibility of the subject of each page. Somehow, especially after reading all your concerns about censorship, I was under the impression that this was decidedly not to be left to the subject. However, I will gladly work on expanding the inventory of the numerous, more important projects that I've been involved with over the years.
To start, here's a list of other films/videos about me, some far more illuminating: > BBC film "Nobody's Here But Me" (early 90¹s?) > Michel Auder (my ex-husband) documentary video about me (late 80¹s?) > Carol Anne Klonarides video - early 80¹s more a doc of a > performance > State of the Art, Iluminations series 1986 UK (small section on Youtube) I can also post a full biography on the talk site of all my exhibitions, reviews, books, film projects etc.
Sincerely,
Cindy Sherman Margaretlee02 ( talk) 18:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I want to make Cindy's official CV available to anyone who is interested. It is a 44 page word document so I am not sure how to distribute it. Please contact me if you would like a copy. Margaretlee02 ( talk) 19:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll admit, I chuckled at "intelligent take on my work or the art world". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.229.166 ( talk) 07:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Several of the items in the Popular Culture section are actually works that the artist participated in. From what I understand, popular culture usually refers to pop-culture references like "Cindy Sherman is the subject of the song Cindy Sherman". But the Marc Jacobs ads are works of Cindy Sherman, and also the album cover art. Hearing no objections, I will move these at some point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.117.50 ( talk • contribs)
The Billy Bragg song "Cindy of a Thousand Lives" is purportedly a reference to the artist's body of work. I have no more detail than this you-tube clip, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXQCp3Sflns. Might be worth someone chasing up (I don't care enough to do so myself). Futnuh ( talk) 11:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
We're told that:
What are these "challenging and important questions"? -- Hoary ( talk) 01:04, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
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"the youngest by far of five children" - you're the youngest or you are not - I edited the line accordingly Irish Melkite ( talk) 01:07, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
This is a bizarre and sloppily written article that falls far below the standard one might attach to the entry for such an important figure in contemporary Western art. At least one of the people cited is virtually unknown, and banal details of Sherman's loft living are included for no reason. I began to copy edit the article and gave up as the article itself struck me as poor. I hope someone comes along and polishes it up as deserved. Actio ( talk) 03:15, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
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I suggest MarPatton build their list of exhibitions here if it is controversial for them to replace a proesy exhibitions section with it:
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Sherman is generally conisdered, and considers herself, to be an artist using the medium of photography. I have amended the lead and infobox accordingly. I might try to improve the lead further but don't have time right now. ProfDEH ( talk) 08:38, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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