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As discussed on the talk page of Christian Wicca I have started this more broadly focussed page with, I hope, some defensible references. I do not yet have Joanne Pearspn's book (on order...) but trust that she may have further good sources which we can briefly incorporate here. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 22:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
( -- Rrburke posted the helpful comments below on my talk page but I'm copying them here and will reply below because I think this is the best place for the discussion - hope this is OK!) Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 21:21, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Kim. I think this move/creation was a good idea. I was about to nominate the article for deletion yet again, but I think that situating the topic with a larger context answers most of my objections, though perhaps not all.
A couple of points, though. First, as I pointed out here, Nancy Chandler Pittman's Christian Wicca: The Trinitarian Tradition is self-published and as such is not suitable as a source. Neither is her website, http://www.christianwicca.org/. In my opinion, in accordance with WP:SPS, any claim anchored by that book or website doesn't belong in Wikipedia.
As well, I note that Joanne Pearson's Wicca and the Christian Heritage is cited in the references section. I haven't looked at the book since the AfD, but what struck me most about it was that, near as I could make out, it contains absolutely no mention of "Christian Wicca." What makes that striking -- to me, at any rate -- is that the book is about Wicca and Christianity.
This absence of a single mention of "Christian Wicca" in a book devoted to the subject of Wicca and Christianity highlights the basic problem: outside of the work of wishful bloggers, online essayists and self-published authors, I can't find any evidence that any halfway-coherent set of practices that might reasonably be labelled "Christian Wicca": a) actually exists, and b) has received sufficient coverage in reliable sources to merit a standalone article. Because the topic is such an OR-magnet, I think it's doubly important both that the sourcing for the article be of the highest quality and that the text of the article stick extremely closely to what those sources explicitly say.
For example, part of the lede reads as follows:
My questions about this passage would be as follows:
If the answer to either question is no, then the passage ought to go. As for the first, I haven't read the book, so you'd know better than I. But for the second, the signs are not auspicious: first, Llewellyn's "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" is not exactly stellar. Second, while I haven't read the book, Llewellyn itself describes the book as a "unique mix of memoir and how-to" that "shows how one woman [emphasis mine] blended Christian traditions with the magic and beauty of a Wiccan practice." It does not appear to demonstrate that any significant group of people practice something identifiable as "Christian Wicca". Furthermore, the book evidently exudes "warmth and heartfelt reverence," which is rather troubling.
I don't know if you've already done so, but could I ask you to take a moment to look at the AfD and my comments here and here to have a better sense of what my concerns are.
Thanks! -- Rrburke ( talk) 17:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
(Since when is a self-published book not suitable?) — Preceding
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In anthropology / missiology contexts, the word "Christopaganism" does not have a capital "p"...
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With some reluctance I removed the image from this page - not because it doesn't make obvious, logical sense but because I was unsure how encyclopaedic the description was. It said:"Pentacrossagram: A combined Christan cross and pagan Pentagram. A Common Symbol used in Christo-Pagan traditions. Which also emphasizes the overlapping of beliefs through symbolism]]". Now I know Google searches are not to be trusted, but neither term appears AT ALL in a Google search. So either the symbol is NOT common - or at least that these names are not. I have seen the symbol on the covers of various books on the topic - maybe we could use one of those? Or this symbol without the name, which seems to be invented? Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 08:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
A recent edit to the article turned these UK spellings to US variants. As there aren't any other UK/US conflicts here there's no precedent about whether this article is written in British English or US English. So I was minded to revert but what the hell - we can all understand it! Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 13:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: MOVED. Seems uncontroversial; I will execute related RMs. Hadal ( talk) 20:17, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
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