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It is unclear what the blanket statement n people converted means. Converted this year? Converted in the history of the country/people group discussed? Are still alive who at some point converted? The intended meaning of this expression should be stated clearly in the introduction. 114.248.209.23 ( talk) 12:32, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
This article is rife with false information and sly bias.
For example it claims Islam will lose millions in future, yet the very source it posts for that contradicts it by saying it will actually increase rapidly. A moderator or whoever needs to go through this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.146.75.100 ( talk) 08:14, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
The headline number of 2.14 billion needs to come with a health warning. Counting the number of adherents to a belief is difficult Depending on how "Christian" is defined, and how individuals are counted very different values can be obtained. The article should reflect this better in the introduction Zeimusu | Talk page 00:24, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Not really. Whatever an official agency says is the number is the number; it is not Wikipedia's place to object. Every time Christian numbers are presented people who have a bias against them try to "redefine" it for their own purposes. They can't come to grips with the fact that Christians are a multi-ethnic religion with the greatest number of adherents worldwide. Gosh that it is actually growing!! Since you will only fight with me over this as you will never indicate your real motivation, the proof against your thought process is how do we "really" count Americans or Chinese, etc? A large percentage of Americans would not be considered Americans, if you proposed any other standard other than citizenship, by other Americans. So we pick the one thing that unifies us, birth. The same goes with Christians. People become Christians when they are baptized. So you argue that they were just little kids, fine (but it doesn't really matter; are American children, German children brainwashed by their parents as they are socialized in their respective cultures and have never made the choice?), but Christians also have "adulthood" rituals such as confirmation which is the next stage where they embrace their Christianity with full choice. Are they not "pushed" in that direction by their parents, neighbors, subculture? Sure, but so is every other group, religion, ethnic group, you name it. Finally, as adults, in the secular sense, if a Christian who has undergone all the initiation rituals and still desires not be Christiana she can fully renounce that background and indicate it on official government documents. These same documents are the ones Wikipedia should cite for total numbers. If the argument is that they are just lazy to do it or not motivated then perhaps they really do consider themselves Christians deep down inside and so they are still Christians.
Finally, we should be using government statistics exclusively. There CANNOT be a discussion on it if Wikipedia is to follow its own rules. If the CIA fact book or other official organization such as the UN cites a number than for all intents and purposes it should be considered sacrosanct. The only dispute that is allowed is which source. Ideology has no place here. Like I said at the beginning the only people who have a problem with the number are the fringe types, both right and left. Believe it or not the hardcore Christians such as the conservative side of the Catholic Church are probably more in agreement with the far Left in wishing to see those numbers reduced as both would argue that the only "true" Christian is one that goes to Church every Sunday, follows all the rules, etc. is to be counted. In essence, this is the Chicken or the egg argument for Christians. Only Saints should be counted but to be a Saint one needs direction from the Church since one was fallible before and so if you are only counting the Saints then how did you become one to begin with? 99.30.225.87 ( talk) 05:31, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Not sure what the source is for this, but over 52m is way too many. Rjm at sleepers ( talk) 05:47, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Why is Mormon/Latter-Day Saints categorized under "non-Christian religions" in the United States part of this article when the religion is categorized as "restorationist Christian religion" on its article, and as a nontrinitarian Christian movement in the Denominations and Movements section of the Christianity template? Mormonism is even mentioned in the Christianity in the United States article that this United States section refers to for further information.
Also, I think the movement deserves a section under "by branches", because this article states it to have a world-wide annual growth of about 2.5% in the first decade of the 21th century. RaijinMonk ( talk) 08:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Tio Papo 2014 ( talk) 19:39, 14 August 2014 (UTC)Why I think Mormonism should not be considered Christian properly defined: Christianity adheres to an ultimate creator. It borrows from Judaism the already known Judaic belief and distinction of creator and creatures. Mormons adhere to the infinite nature of angels converting to human form including that of Christ. In other words, Christ you an I have the same essence, we are all infinite without beginning or end. This belief is contrary to the principles of Christianity and it really invalidates the need for God in the form of Christ to come to earth, for if I am infinite I can fix anything I did or ever will do in my infiniteness; I don't need Christ to show me anything since knowing it all should accompany the essence of an infinite being! Mormonism really does not promote the belief of redemption for infinite beings don't need redemption. As per most orthodox Christian sects, you can only call yourself a Christian if you adhere to the core essentials of the faith. A belief contrary to the core essential of creator vs. creature and redemptive contradictions, cannot properly be called Christian, IMHO!
The first sentence was wrong. 2.3billion was a 150million increase on 2billion. This has now been corrected, i.e. it now states that there has been an increase of 300million rather than 150 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.200.2 ( talk) 00:01, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Doesn't using the section "Mainline christianity"..and not including Catholicism, imply Catholics aren't mainstream christians? I'm sure there are plenty of catholics who may not agree........ Deathlibrarian ( talk) 12:06, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
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They are all estimates without any proof that they are true try reading it yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lion7861 ( talk • contribs) 15:10, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Studies from WEC International and a journal published by Baylor University (a private Christian university) seem to be used frequently in this article. They claim that very large number of people are converting to Christianity, especially Muslims. I'm wondering if this reported only in Christian sources, or whether Pew Research and other neutral sources say similar things. If its only Christian sources saying this, then I'd take their claims with a grain of salt. VR talk 07:11, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
At least this could be clarified. In the lead, it sounds like planet earth is gaining/losing Christians due to immigration. This shouldn't be possible, because we don't emigrate from the earth yet.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 22:55, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Dear @ Arsi786: the lead information is supported by the source as you can see, so no need for the removing, your new edit or change are based on the page 58, you could add it without removing the previous information. Eliko007 ( talk) 22:47, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
As I mentioned in the article, new data is available for 2021 from the Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. That is, 2.545 Billion Christians with a world population of 7.875 Billion people respectively. Is it time to update the table, which relies on data from 11 years ago (i.e. 2010)? Please discuss. NishantXavier ( talk) 05:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
If no one has any objection, I'll edit the page shortly. I may create a table to depict the freshly available data for the year 2021. NishantXavier ( talk) 06:16, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Well, you may disagree with Gordon-Conwell's projection for 2050, but I don't think GC is necessarily an unreliable source for today's data. Do you have a source on number of Christians worldwide that radically differs from 2.5 Billion? Most sources I've seen give that number. Here, at any rate, is an earlier source from Pew Research, in 2017, based on 2015 data, that gives 2.3 Billion for that time. Shall I update the article with this number for 2015?
"Christians remained the largest religious group in the world in 2015, making up nearly a third (31%) of Earth’s 7.3 billion people, according to a new Pew Research Center demographic analysis. But the report also shows that the number of Christians in what many consider the religion’s heartland, the continent of Europe, is in decline." https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/05/christians-remain-worlds-largest-religious-group-but-they-are-declining-in-europe/ NishantXavier ( talk) 10:13, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Just reading through this article it didn't feel very neutral, it said things like "Christians earned many converts", a lot of it sounded very written by someone who was very happy that Christianity was growing and thought Christianity deserved to overcome other religions. Did anyone else get that vibe? Apologies if I'm reading too far into this but looking into the rest of this talk page and similar things have been brought up regularly 2A00:23C7:5980:8501:C6C8:8EB:5FE9:7FA8 ( talk) 15:35, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
The section Conversions says:
According to "The Oxford Handbook of Religious Conversion", in mid-2005 approximately 15.5 million converted to Christianity from another religion, approximately 11.7 million left Christianity, and most of them became irreligious, resulting in a net gain of 3.8 million.
What does "in mid-2005" mean? How is this a time period? From when to when did these conversions occur? Above, the article quotes the World Christian Encyclopaedia saying that the annual number of conversions to Christianity is 2.7 million. Therefore I'd assume that 15.5 is the number of several years, but how many?
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