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Sorry for moving this page around so much. It's hard to know what name to use, as this man is mostly known as "the previous Panchen Lama". I'm considering moving it to Choekyi Gyaltsen for simplicity. He probably is the person best-known by that name (with nothing affixed to it), even though he has a longer formal name and there is at least one other Choekyi Gyaltsen. Or, maybe this page should just move to 10th Panchen Lama (that would imply a style change also affecting the Dalai Lama and Karmapa articles). - Nat Krause( Talk!) 18:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
May I ask why Ran added the communist chinese version of who the next Panchen Lama is? It is interesting, to say the least, that you out of nowhere come and just add that and now claim that you are neutral? Couldn't you add some info on the Panchen Lama? This is yet another example of what Ran is after. Ran is a chinese nationalist in a sheep skin. I have collected few examples. Meet me at my talk page. Me 02:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I think this link should be removed: The passing away and last words of the Tenth Panchen Lama (China.org.cn)
It is untrue propaganda which surely is not right to be linked to here, unless it is made clear that it is propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Woodlandjustin ( talk • contribs) 10:47, 19 April 2007
You can read the following:
It is not possible to travel around, when you are under housearrest! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.187.245.100 ( talk) 14:20, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
The article has a quotation from the last speech, but I have read the whole speech and I believe that the quotation is false. In the speech there is condemnation of the cultural revolution, but every word was politically correct, for me to see. No poisoned arrow. -- 86.221.81.139 ( talk) 19:33, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
The same: The critical comments are in reality 25 years older. At that time the Panchen Lama was sceptical about the results in Tibet. He was punished as the article correctly describes it. But later he was rehabilitated and for years before dying he was completely in line with the CCP and the Peking government. And his last speech is perfectly in line. But somebody (the Dalai Lama?) has pretended that he repeated his critical comments in the last speech. That was of course in order to give rise to rumours about a murder committed by the murderous communist government. I do not intend to correct the article because this error is done on purpose and is systemic. The same error appears in the article in french. It would be a never ending task to correct that. All the wiki articles about tibetan affairs has a part of systemic errors. The facts are - for me to see - that before his death the Panchen Lama was a most valuable asset for China. -- 86.221.104.213 ( talk) 13:03, 1 April 2016 (UTC) Mio Nielsen, France.
Still the same: How is it possible that the Panchen Lama was first jailed and later in line with the government? That's very simple. At the moment of his last speech a great number of leading chinese politicians had themselves been imprisoned during the cultural revolution. After the fall of the gang of four the Panchen Lama found himself on the winners side !
The article mentions two sources asserting that the Panchens last speech was critical against China. So critical that it could have triggered a murder. On the other hand, the article has a link to the text of the speech, which, in my eyes, is completely in line with the chinese political correctness of the moment. Could this last document be a fake? That should be easy to prove, since there were 30000 people present and, I suppose, cameras and microphones. Is the issue of importance? Yes. Its a prolongation of the cold war and hence a major geopolitical question. If I am correct, the 10 Panchen Lama could, if he had lived, have made a lot of reluctant tibetan people collaborate with the Beijing government. So I ask the wikipedians who are following this article to investigate the matter ! -- 86.221.42.95 ( talk) 12:37, 4 April 2016 (UTC)Mio Nielsen, France.
I repeat: the quotation in the article supposed to be from his last speech is in reality dating from before the cultural revolution. The place given to the rumours of murder should be balanced by a consideration of the facts. A good parallel would be to suspect that de Gaulle was murdered by the french government with the explanation that the Vichy government had actually sentenced him to death ! Its so utterly ignorant of the realities, that I suppose that the whole article is supervised by some sort of cold war agitators. -- 86.221.87.38 ( talk) 12:55, 22 April 2016 (UTC)M.N.
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There's a record of meetings and visits and teachings and travels between the Panchen Lama and Jigme Phuntsok that creates a different story than the story portrayed in this page. These notable events begin in 1980 at Larung Gar then recur in 1987-89+/- as mentioned in the bio here. Adding the notable info to this page would also require adjusting the sections - imo, which could use more NPOV titles. Thoughts? Thanks. Pasdecomplot ( talk) 20:30, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
The section on the daughter reads like heavy promo, and might conflict with no INHERIT policy. Thoughts on that also? Thanks. Pasdecomplot ( talk) 20:31, 10 October 2020 (UTC)