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I disagree that the Somanathapura Temple is not also widely known as Chennakesheva. Please see
this google listing. Some of the links are to pages that happen to mention both the Belur and Somanathapura, but certainly there are many references to the Somanathapura temple as a Chennakeshava temple. A good number of these google hits are tourism packages. But
this hit from the Archaeological Survey of India, on an official government website, refers to the Somanathpur temple as a Chennakesava temple--
BostonMAtalk17:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)reply
Comment This is a topic about which I did write to
Mattisse about some days back. There are several Keshava temples (of Kesava temples if one prefers) built by the Hoysalas. There are also several Chennakeshava temples and their names are at times interchanged.
Our options are:
1. Keep the name as is, as this is the most famous Chennakeshava temple in Karnataka(I dont think its popularity will change soon) and use for all other Chennakeshava temples the format "Temple name(town)". The Somanathapura temple is most popularly known as Keshava temple, though one may find a few links with Chennakeshava used. The reason for this is, the name Chennakesava temple along with Hoysaleswara temple are proposed as World Heritage sites. So we may want to consider an independent identity for them. Also, a sentence reading like this may look odd.
"The Chennakesava Temple(Belur), the Hoysaleswara temple(Halebidu) and the Keshava temple(Somanathapura) are the finest works of Hoysala art."
When it should be written as:
"The Chennakesava Temple at Belur, the Hoysaleswara temple at Halebidu and the Keshava temple at Somanathapura are the finest works of Hoysala art."
Also, Indian web sites are famous for using slightly varying names for places, temples. So we cant always use that as a yard stick.
2. Make it a habit to attach the town name "Temple name(town)" format henceforth for all conflicting temple names (of which there are plenty).
I prefer the first choice, but I am ok with the second also.
Also, we need to make sure the "temple" starts with either upper case "T" or lower case "t" to be consistant. I will change Hoysaleswara temple to upper case "T" if that's ok with you guys (or is it Hoysalesvara with a "v"). I am not a temple expert, just an enthusiast, but thanks for the compliment anyway.
Dineshkannambadi02:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)reply
Thanks for your comments. I do not understand this comment however:
a sentence reading like this may look odd.
"The Chennakesava Temple(Belur), the Hoysaleswara temple(Halebidu) and the Keshava temple(Somanathapura) are the finest works of Hoysala art."
When it should be written as:
"The Chennakesava Temple at Belur, the Hoysaleswara temple at Halebidu and the Keshava temple at Somanathapura are the finest works of Hoysala art."
I completely agree that the second sentence preferable by far. However, I don't see how the title of the article (or articles) prevents one from writing good prose such as the second sentence. Perhaps I am missing something, and I hope you will explain.
With regard to the Somanathapur temple being mostly known as "Keshava" and not "Chennakeshava". Chenna just means beautiful. The difference in calling a temple Chennakeshava vs Keshava, is to me, like the difference between a Vishnu temple and a Mahavishnu temple. So, I think it is not right to think of one of the temples as Keshava and the other as Chennakeshava, they are each both.
That being said, I do agree that the Belur temple is far more famous. It has crowds of visitors, is larger, better preserved and so on. So, I would be willing to have this article keep its name provided there is a disambiguation notice at the top
"This article is about the Chennakeshava Temple in Belur, for other Chennakeshava Temples, see Chennakeshava Temple (disambiguation)"
or alternatively,
"This article is about the Chennakeshava Temple in Belur, for the Chennakeshava Temple in Somanathapura see..."
Reply The first "disambiguation" format looks good I think. Also, there may be other reasons for differentiating between Chennakeshava and Keshava and may need more digging into. However, as I said earlier, if the consenses is to go with Chennakesava Temple(Belur), I am ok with it.
Dineshkannambadi02:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)reply
Let's let it sit for now. Tomorrow (US time) if there is no more discussion, I will be
WP:BOLD and set up a disambuation page, and put the disambiguation notice at the top of this article and the Somanathapur temple article. Sincerely, --
BostonMAtalk03:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)reply
Reply: It is good that this article is being kept under the same name without moving into a name such as
Chennakeshava Temple (Belur).
However, I am little confused about disambiguation page. As of now, only article about
Chennakesava Temple is this article. Are we putting link to
Somanathapura in disambiguation page? It may not be accurate to put that way. We will need to create
Keshava Temple (Somanathapura) or something like that, and then put its link in disambiguation page such as
Chennakeshava Temple (disambig).
Or simplest way is to put this message in top of this article:
"This article is about the Chennakeshava Temple in
Belur. For the Chennakeshava Temple in Somanathapura, see
Somanathapura".
Also, with this approach, the reader who is looking for the information on Somanathapura temple will be sent directly by clicking the link in this page, instead of first going to disambig page and then to
Somanathapura article. In future, if we have more articles on Chennakesava temples, probably we should have disambig page then. Thanks, -
KNMTalk06:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)reply
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