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There were indeed riots that included violence after the 2004 election that were led and encouraged by the "Pan Blue" factions. Here is but one source: riot: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D04E7DF1138F932A25757C0A9629C8B63 Since it is stated as fact even by the New York Times, it should remain inside the article. There have been multiple attempts to censor this, and censoring it is no good. -- Shrimpcrackers ( talk) 13:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
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Maybe I'm misremembering things but....
I think it's important to mention that the street was originally named 'Long Live Chiang Kai-Shek Street' rather than merely Chiang Kai-Shek Street. This made the street renaming less controversial than it otherwise would have been. Also. he renamed a few other streets Shi-Min Jie for example.... -- Roadrunner
What's wrong with his hair? It looks fake.
The aboriginal names of Chen Shui-bian need to be explained rather than just listed on the page (Why has he been given them? When was he given them? Who gave them to him? etc.) -- Lowellian 17:55, Mar 16, 2004 (UTC)
I think leaving them is okay, as long as they're accurate and it's clear what they are. Even if they are a political gesture, it's still information. -- Lowellian 19:41, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)
Removed statement on the 3/29 interview with the Washington Post as this is a bit misleading. Chen didn't say that he planned to "make" Taiwan an independent, sovereign nation. His position and that of the DPP has always been that Taiwan is already an independent and sovereign nation.
His position has a whole lot of complex implications, which will take a paragraph or two to explain.
Remember that he is a lawyer.
Roadrunner 12:35, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
I tried to write a NPOV summary of his positions and their implications. Someone needs to proofread for NPOV as I completely detest Chen Shuibian and some of that might have leaked through.
My POV summary of "Interpretation of his actions" would read "Chen Shuibian is either evil or stupid, and in either case he is a very dangerous man."
Roadrunner 15:20, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
I think we have a vandal, but I'll offer one chance for an explanation. By what criterion is CSB a communist? Among all of the nasty things his political opponents accuse him of, being a communist is not one of them.
If you change the article again without any sort of explanation, I'll block your IP.
Roadrunner 03:44, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
Yep he's definitely a vandal. There's absolutely no communism/capitalism discussion in Taiwan politics. It's all about pro or anti-independence. Economically, the focus has been on opening more opportunity for Taiwanese business to establish bases in China, and both parties like promising pork barrels to win constituencies. Chen is definitely NOT a communist. Just because he's anti KMT doesnt mean he's a communist. Wareware 00:34, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
Absolutely. In fact being a anti-KMT makes him even more diffrent to the communist. He is certainly a patriot of Taiwan.-- 68.98.154.196 01:03, 12 December 2005 (UTC)From Taiwan
Something needs to be done about this passage: "Another small party that backed Chen previously, Taiwan Solidarity Union, said Friday they would likely to support the upcoming recall measure. If the recall passed, it would be up to the voters to decide Chen's fate in an island-wide referendum.
Leaders of the Democratic Progressive Party met together on Friday to discuss the unfavorable charges."
Apart from the fact that this looks like it has been cut-and-pasted from elsewhere, which Friday is Friday? This doesn't belong in an encyclopedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.252.133 ( talk) 13:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Questionable characterization below:
I fail to see how "forceful and colorful arguments" from a lawyer constitute or lead to "notoriety". And if they did, where did he "gain" this notoriety from, perhaps the judge sitting on the military court? Or supporters? In the interest of brevity and to avoid the need to further contextualize the claim, I am going to change this to "...Chen came to be known for..." A-giau 00:37, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Why couldn't I find anything about Chen's reported affair with pretty aide Hsiao Bikim? -- Vladko 16:31, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Because this has been ruled by the court as unprovable. Besides, it brought more benefit towards Hsiao for her celebrity status than to Chen, so it was more important to Hsiao than to Chen. However, you can read more about this on Hsiao's page. Bobbybuilder 03:02, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
This article doesn't seem to address: 1) Chen's use of Taiwanese language/dialect in speeches; 2) his status in regard to ethnic divisions/tensions in Taiwan. Badagnani 03:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
To be honest, i found there is no any Neutral point of view in this article especially the "recall" part. In Taiwan the referendum law, yet this law passed by the pan-blue majority congress, does not apply to the case of removing The Taiwan President from office. For this the original author had already failed to mention and try to misguide reader of Wikipedia by not telling the whole truth. 2nd this motion is NOT recall but rather "impeachment", the goal of this motion is to impeach Mr. Chen via congress NOT by referendum through public vote because there is NO law in Taiwan at this moment allow to do so in order to remove Taiwan president from office. yet the original author failed to mention this again. Why i am not surprised at all.
In Taiwan, congress has right to impeach President if Presdient has anything violate the law just like US congress can but recall. So Please do not MISLEADING reader of Wikipedia. Neutral point of view ? i found this is quite a funny point. So far base on what evidence Mr. Chen has violated any Taiwan law that Taiwan congress can impeach him? Do we see the original author mention about any evidence?
Hello? Neutral point of view?! anyone? --[[User:] 06:51, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Well. talking about "rule by the courts",Maybe Mr.(or Ms.) Nlu can show us, all reader of Wikipedia, where we can find the Taiwan law mention about to remove The Taiwan President through "recall" or referendum? NPOV? Hello? NPOV == Nlu's view?"' Hahahaha! Why i am not surprised at all [[User:] 07:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
I guess we are not living at same earth. Hahaha! If there is NO such law, why we have "constitutional" or "un-constitutional"? constitutional of what? un-constitutional of what? thin air? You need to have a law first then we can talk about if it is constitutional or un-constitutional. Again, Why i am not surprised at all. Mr.(or Ms.) Nlu, if you can do us, readers of Wikipedia, a big favor just show us the dame law about how to remove Taiwan president by "recall" or referendum, i will be very happy to apply. NPOV should base on facts and truth not imagination, Wikipedia is NOT a place for doing propaganda, for the name sake of Wikipedia. --[[User:] 07:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
In this portion, the original author also failed to mention at end of Chen's first term as mayor of taipei, he has more than 80% approval rate that is never seen in the history of Taipei especially for the people-elected mayor. Ethnic concentration as well as more pro-pan-blue voters in city of Taipei had decided to choose a new mayor from pan-blue, the current Mayor Ma, instead of the one with high approval rate. When talking about this part of history, I suggest this part of fact should not be left out.
How good Mayor Ma is doing after replaced Mr. Chen as mayor of taipei? You can check out the link of Mayor Ma embedded in this article. And just a friendly reminder, don't be surprised to see many Mr. Ma's "scandal" in that link had been removed. Another sign to show you when reading this kind of controversial article at wikipedia used your best judgement and checkout more information before you jump into conclusion. There are peoples out there their main jobs are creating propaganda to promote or dis-credit a person. [[User:] 19:42, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Did he cede some powers to the Prime Minister following the recent protests? I can't find anything about this in the article. Badagnani 04:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
We need to get a Chen Shui-bian photograph. I think the Republic of China government provides a picture and it is fair use. Please get that old picture back up. - Nationalist 06:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Please stop the edit warring on whether to refer to his birth place as "Taiwan" or as "Taiwan Province, Republic of China." This really needs a community consensus, and the current edit war is not productive. Please talk this through. -- Nlu ( talk) 05:58, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Why should we be vague? Why not recognize that his birth place is Taiwan Province, Republic of China. That is the real fact. It is indisputable. The government on Taiwan is called the Republic of China. Ask Chen Shui-bian himself. He is President of the Republic of China! Just having Taiwan makes it sound like Taiwan is an independent nation, which is not true. The ROC governs it. - Nationalist 03:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I have no strong opinion on this -- but obviously you guys do. May I propose, "Tainan County, the Republic of China" as the alternative? -- Nlu ( talk) 05:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Taiwan is governed as Taiwan Province, Republic of China. I think we can put Tainan County, Taiwan, Republic of China. That is a good compromise. ROC (Taiwan) only equates ROC to Taiwan, but that is not true- Nationalist 02:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
The Republic of China also administers parts of Fuchien Province. Fuchien is not considered as Taiwan. Therefore, saying Taiwan wouldn't work. Fuchien is not part of Taiwan. The Constitution of Ireland says Ireland in it. So that's fine. But look at the ROC Constitution. It says ROC Republic of China, NOT TAIWAN. There is NO Republic of Taiwan. It is the REPUBLIC OF CHINA. - Nationalist 01:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
http://www.gio.gov.tw/taiwan-website/5-gp/president.htm Says "President of the Republic of China (Taiwan)." Just write it like that. -- Borgarde 07:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
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The template Template:Infobox Mayor has been merged into Template:Infobox Officeholder. This is the last page that needs to be updated. Could you please update the infobox at the top of the page with the following code and then remove the outdated Infobox Mayor code from the top of this section. VerruckteDan 18:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, i am quite new on this kind of stuff, but why there isn't a photo of Chen Sui bian on the template article? i think it would be nice to see at least how does his face looks like =) -- HappyApple 09:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
As discussed in the Talk:Lee_Teng-hui page, when saying in English that someone is the nth president, you are counting the number of people who have held the office, not the number of terms of office. Saying, for example, that Chen is the 10th and 11th president makes no sense in English. He can't be both because if he were, he would only be the 10th president. The president who followed him would be the 11th president no matter how long or for how many terms Chen served.
Apparently the convention in Taiwan for numbering presidents is to use the number of terms, but this is an English-language Wiki, so we must say things that make sense in English. So we cannot say Chen was the 10th and 11th President. We have to say that he served the 10th and 11th terms. Readin ( talk) 22:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Exactly. Am I allowed to remove them now? Therequiembellishere ( talk) 01:38, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I won't stop you or revert the edit, but I can't promise that no one else like ( User:Joseph_Solis_in_Australia or Iamwisesun) will revert it. Readin ( talk) 01:52, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
What ethnic group Mr. Chen belongs to? Is he an Han Chinese or native Taiwanese? 35.11.39.19 ( talk) 21:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
He is mostly Han Chinese with ancestry from Fujian. Of course, the definition of Han Chinese changes and is sometimes based on culture. HanBoN ( talk) 02:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Taiwanese Prosecutors on May 20, 2008 named Chen suspect in a $ 450,000 fraud case, after he lost presidential immunity. Specifically, the investigation was for his role in the handling of a special presidential fund used to pursue Taiwan's foreign diplomacy. The Supreme Prosecutor's Office stated that: "We have formally started the investigation of the special expenses case concerning former president Chen.The office has assigned ... a seven-member investigative unit to take charge of the case." news.bbc.co.uk, Taiwan ex-leader faces graft case ap.google.com, Taiwan investigating ex-President Chen Shui-bian -- Florentino floro ( talk) 11:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
The following was deleted: "The unprecedented scandal created a media firestorm in Taiwan and widespread disbelief among Chen's supporters. Strangely, in the four days following the initial news break, the biggest news out of Taiwan has yet to make its way to mainstream English media outlets such as CNN, BBC, Washington Post and Reuters. These news authorities choose to focus the coverage of this region on the impending arrival of a pair of pandas from China to a zoo in Taipei. US has been a strong ally to Chen's presidency. This virtual censorship by Western media could be an indication that Chen's corruption runs deep in today's international politics." by user: 61.229.246.213
There has been coverage by news outlets such as the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, and Bloomberg. Other foreign media also use AP and AFP stories. To say that the Western media (meaning all media from Europe to the United States) are embroiled in an international corruption and conspiracy in not covering Chen Shui-bian's scandal is absurd. Naturally, this story to some western countries deserve simply a story or two in coverage not the front-to-back coverage as in Taiwan. News to international outlets may also take days in sorting out facts by foreign media. The article is about Chen, not speculation on how late coverage or less-than-your-satisfaction of coverage in western media constitute wide-spread or international corruption or conspiracy. This was a bit over-the-top. Clygeric ( talk) 14:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Notice, my last assertion was Anglo media, not Western media. I did notice that AFP reported the news on the same day Chen made the public appology for breaking the law, unlike US/UK/Canadian media which has been all silent until a few days later. Washington Post put out a related piece "Democracy and Dirty Money in Taiwan" by "Pomfret's China" on Aug 18th. This piece is nowhere advertised on its regular news site, so the average reader won't even be aware of it unless he/she specifically search for Taiwan. (I guess that's why you are not aware of it either) Ok, here is the meaty stuff: you say that there is no media censorship among Anglo media to Chen's scandal, then explain why my IP is now permanently banned from visiting www.washingtonpost.com after I post a reader response to "Democracy and Dirty Money in Taiwan", comment #7 (see also the response exhibit on Pomfret's China):
" Li-Shei Ho: I am living in Taiwan, Chen's scandal was the biggest news in Taiwan in the past 3 days. Can you explain why Washington Post (CNN, BBC, CBC, Reuters for that matter) hasn't even aired a single news item on this matter? Your paper reported one news that is Taiwan related - a Taiwan pitcher played a perfect game in 1979's World Series. Is this news even comparable to Chen's Scandal on the level of importance? What is keeping your paper from reporting Chen's corruption scandal promptly?"
You see, my comment was deemed too offensive, that I have to be kept off-limit to Washington Post. My apprentice take note, this kind of overt reaction from the Post confirmed my analysis that US corporate media does not view kindly the demise of Taiwan's pro-independent force for the sake of their anti-China agenda. To validate my view once again, I predict that although US corporate media was slow and unwilling to report Chen's scandal admission to their audiences, they will promptly and cheerfully report the 8/30 anti-China rally organized by the Green faction. (user 61.229.246.213) 29 August 2008
Since the information is removed, it need not be an issue. Your arguments have many points, and would be ideal in any newspaper's Op/Ed sections. Such an occurrence of reporting by "Anglo" media (which is a minute, if any, difference from if I chose to use "Western") is an unfortunate coverage. At either rate, one cannot simply speculate on a conspiracy and have this speculation deem to be "encyclopedic" detail. I encourage you to write to these media outlets to express your outrage at their lax coverage of the Chen scandal. I, too, believe this scandal must be magnified for all to know, as corruption of such magnitude should not be under the light, but be always in the light of public examination and scrutiny. Thank you for your observances. Clygeric ( talk) 03:27, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment. I just want to update that just as I predicted and right on que, BBC has promptly and cheerfully reported the 8/30 Rally in Taipei, titled "Huge rally against Taiwan leader," which is listed as one of the top stories on the BBC website. The Chen family saga (which is still the hottest news topic in Taiwan now) is only given minimal lip service, one sentence to be exact, in this news gem. And yes, still no news article devoted to the Chen saga on BBC. This tells you how "neutral" and "unbiased" Anglo medias really are. Also, just want to clarify, my IP 61.229.246.213 was banned from Washington post a few hours after my response posting as mentioned above. Since I am only renting my place temporarily, I feel bad for the American student from UC Berkeley who will take my room after I leave. In his room, he will not be able to read his highly esteemed Washington Post over the web. Too bad. (user 61.229.246.213) 1 September 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.112.237.54 ( talk) 12:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
"Prosecutors have asked a three-judge panel to formally detain the ex-president. They said "it is necessary to take Chen into custody while they continue their probe because the crimes Chen is suspected of committing are felonies". Following his detainment, the former president Chen Shui-Bian seems can no longer play his self-claimed pro-independence tricky game in misleading his southern supporters to the manipulated political stance." This is clearly biased so I removed it until someone can put up NPOV information. 220.133.88.162 ( talk) 02:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Cross purposes gone wild. The money laundering is alleged, the controversies are not. Either use "money laundering allegations" or "money laundering controversy", not both. -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 03:22, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Can we include that his niece is married to Erik Ralske of the NY Philharmonic? Choicefresh ( talk) 00:50, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi there... do u agree if I change the wording of the link? I mean, the box about chen says he practices "taiwanese folk religion", but the link goes to "chinese folk religion"... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.38.223.195 ( talk) 22:41, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
I u dont provide the source of the information, i will erase the un-sourced material... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gumuhua ( talk • contribs) 18:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Why NOT allow my picture at COMMONS and replaced without any notice in edit summary?! Give me a reason, or I will consider the replace as IRRESPECTIVE BEHAVIOR!!!!!!
This is not once, in other articles also had the same condition~! In addition to Chinese Wikipedia. Brock contact... 05:37, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Call to ban "taiwaneseamerican" and the IP from which he sticks his absurd tags, call to protect "Chen Shubian" article:
Absurd tags such as "The KMT tried to kill him", or "US DOS consider him a political prisoner", not to say missquotations taken from the press and missourcing
Recently I have reverted some vandalism made by him, I have (for the second time) done so, but he keeps vandalising (He has also vandalized Ma Yingjiu article... How can we ban him?
Pyl also undid some of his changes, but the guy seems undeterred...
Cheers Gumuhua ( talk) 11:11, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
While we're on the topic of banning users, Eeeeeewtw has done a lot of vandalizing and seemingly random edits. He has a number of warnings on his talk page. Perhaps we should attempt to take some action against his account. Readin ( talk) 16:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't the whole post-Presidency investigations be a separate article? Nada ( talk) 07:23, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone provide a translation for this source [1]? Readin ( talk) 23:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
The line "Some analysts also share similar view.." is copied almost verbatim from the BBC report, and phrased awkwardly.. shouldn't it be phrased differently?
Nada ( talk) 21:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
To be honest, is it completely necessary to include the Mandarin translation of all the Chinese names in this article? It's just wonderful that people want to add such useful tools, but there is a page specifically for Mandarin. Thoughts? GnarlyLikeWhoa ( talk) 21:33, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
This article desperately needs clean-up. I'm not familiar enough with the situation to deal with it myself, but certainly passages such as this from the section about his recent criminal conviction read as biased whatever the facts of the case.
Supporters (very few) of former President Chen say the prosecution was politically motivated and point to unusual moves by the current government such as replacing judges who had granted Chen release on his own recognizance with judges who immediately ordered Chen jailed and isolated in mid-trial.[110][111] Some self-claimed analysts with no credibility share similar view as they suggest there is some truth to the claim made by Chen Shui-bian that this case is more of a witch hunt by the current administration aimed at pleasing Beijing. But the evidences speak otherwise.
Luke Parks ( talk) 11:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
"Supporters of former President Chen say the prosecution was politically motivated" Why shouldn't the article mention the other opinions that the verdict reflects the Taiwan majority mood within the same source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.243.169.72 ( talk) 15:29, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
It's too long and clogging up this article. Also, it's important enough to justify a separate article. Much better to transfer it to another article, with a judicious summary here. 116.14.15.16 ( talk) 13:28, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
This was sloppily done and needs cleanup. The text needs to be rewritten so it doesn't read like a timeline. New material should be added by condensing and summarizing the old material. And it needs updating in light of the past couple months.-- Jiang ( talk) 10:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2006/07/02/2003316835
Many DPP leaders have visited their ancestral hometowns in Fujian in the mainland
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/print/91760.htm
http://www.taiwandc.org/twcom/101-no4.htm
http://books.google.com/books?id=1tQY4jn5iNwC&pg=PA333&lpg=PA333#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan ( talk) 20:51, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
According to the Taipei Times article, that is not all that Chen said on the question of whether he is Chinese. "Making comparisons to other historical migrations such as the English settling in the US and later calling themselves Americans, Chen said this spirit is the same as his Chinese ancestors leaving China and deciding to make Taiwan their permanent home." Readin ( talk) 22:54, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Rajmaan ( talk) 04:00, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.
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There are serious NPOV problems in the section about the shooting. Everything seems to be basically unsourced and the wording seems to suggest that the shooting was a conspiracy, and there's some clear editorializing in there. I'm not sure it can be fixed. Per WP:BLP I think the entire section should be scrapped and re-done. DrIdiot ( talk) 21:58, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
I removed this content:
Chen's and the Democratic Progressive Party are pro-Japanese, and look favorably on Japan's colonization of Taiwan, the issue of WW2 comfort women, and terrotiral disoputes between Taiwan and Japan ie, Diaoyu Islands, [1] [2]
Rationale: it's WP:OR and editorializing, China Daily is not RS especially on Taiwan (see WP:RSP), and the first link does not make any direct statements about Chen himself, only his advisor Shi Wen-long, whose relevance is a bit of a stretch. DrIdiot ( talk) 05:41, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Also want to remark that the standards for WP:BLP are far higher. Need direct statements from Chen. DrIdiot ( talk) 05:45, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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Lots of cn tags from a decade ago. Going to clean up that section. Some removed material will be posted here. Here's the first:
Ancestral hometowns in Fujian in mainland China have been visited by DPP leaders and their families. [1] [2]
Reason: not a relevant sentence to Chen himself. Also not really a political position? And the sources are opinion pieces. DrIdiot ( talk) 09:12, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
More removed content:
Chen's position on Taiwan's political status is that Taiwan is already an independent, sovereign nation named the Republic of China. citation needed This has the implication that a declaration of independence is unnecessary as Taiwan is already independent. This view point, however, is subject to change in each election campaign. At the same time, it also has the implication that the pledge by Chen to preserve the status quo or not change Taiwan's sovereign status would not preclude a declaration of independence but would preclude acceptance of the one China policy. citation needed
Some who? said that Chen's position on this issue was intended and to some degree succeeded in placating his pro-independence supporters without crossing any red lines that could trigger war with the PRC. His supporters saw these positions as creative and indicative of a willingness to compromise. Many of his critics who? (especially those from the Pan-Blue coalition) believed that his positions and actions showed that his seemingly conciliatory statements were merely a smokescreen to advance a hidden agenda of advancing de facto Taiwan independence. citation needed These suspicions appeared to arise from the actions of his KMT predecessor Lee Teng-hui who now readily admits to secretly citation needed trying to advance de facto Taiwan independence during his presidential terms.
President Chen admitted that he leans towards independence but his main position is opposition to adopting the One China principle since it prevents Taiwanese people from being able to decide upon their own future. citation needed
Rationale: per WP:BLP better to remove unsourced content. The first paragraph I've replaced. The second paragraph is kind of an opinion. If we could specific references some could be worth adding back in. The third seems a bit redundant. DrIdiot ( talk) 19:02, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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In an interview in July 2005, Chen explicitly repudiated the position of Lee Teng-Hui that Taiwan / Republic of China and China / People's Republic of China are two different countries. He said, "The Republic of China on Taiwan and the People's Republic of China on the mainland are two separate countries with divided rule and do not exercise sovereignty over each other," he said. "Under the principle of popular sovereignty and self determination, we consider that the question of whether Taiwan should be united with China should be the decision of the 23 million people of Taiwan." citation needed
Reason: First, it's confusing what this is saying, and who is saying what. Also, not sure why it's relevant. Can't find source. DrIdiot ( talk) 04:05, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
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