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A fact from Charles Spencer Francis appeared on Wikipedia's
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... that Charles Spencer Francis(pictured) served in the same diplomatic roles as his father,
John M. Francis, did? Source: "His father, John M. Francis, was also at one time Ambassador to Austria-Hungary [...] in 1870 ... his father, then United States Minister to Greece. He [the son] was appointed Minister to Greece [...] in 1900 ..."
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I would suggest that more context about Francis be added to the hooks: it is not really unusual or even uncommon that children of diplomats would go on to become diplomats themselves. I would advise proposing hooks that focus specifically on Francis's diplomatic career, independent of his father.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew13:11, 15 March 2020 (UTC)reply
That actually sounds much better and more unusual, although there's something that needs to be clarified: was it the world record in general, or only for intercollegiate sports? I've also linked to
single scull as I don't think it's a term that general audiences would be familiar with.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew00:10, 16 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Article is new enough, long enough, adequately sourced. Unable to check for close paraphrasing due to technical issues with Earwigs, but I am assuming good faith for the sources provided. ALT2 is the best option; AGF on sourcing as the NYT source is paywalled on my end. No QPQ needed. The article wording could need some brushing up: the phrase The diplomatic life was not done with him yet does not sound formal or encyclopedic and may need to be rephrased.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew01:08, 20 March 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Javert2113: Thanks, I think the article looks a lot better now. I could suggest that ALT2 be slightly rephrased to emphasize that his record was set when he was still a student, like perhaps mentioning "while at
Cornell University" before "diplomat" or making it clear that he wasn't a diplomat yet at the time but became one later.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew09:38, 25 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks, that sounds better. However, it could probably still be revised further since it can be easy to misinterpret the hook as meaning that he was already a diplomat while a student.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew12:13, 25 March 2020 (UTC)reply
What does "setting the world record in intercollegiate single scull competition in 1876" mean? The DYK hook says "set the world record for intercollegiate single-scull rowing in 1876". The
source for that is behind a paywall.
Does it mean the fastest time to row a certain distance? If so, the distance should be stated, otherwise it's "a world record", not "the world record".
Did he set an absolute world record or a world record for college students or a world record for intercollegiate events? How much international competition and record-keeping was there in 1876? Or was it retrospectively recogfnised as a record by a later generation of international record-keepers? Maybe he just set a US intercollegiate record that was faster than the contemporary Oxbridge record and so promoted unilaterally to the status of world record.
Hello,
jnestorius. I've taken the liberty of copying my response from
Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors: 'To be clear, the
source for this claim, from 1924, says the following: "In 1876 he [Francis] won the intercollegiate sculling championship at Saratoga Lake and established a world's college record of 13:42 that still stands." I admit, I may have simplified it a bit. As for the substantive questions, I'm afraid I don't know enough about rowing to answer them. Please let me know if you have any further questions or corrections.' To add a bit to it: I'm afraid it does need clarification. —
Javert2113 (
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