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Since recent events have changed his positions: The opening statement needs to reflect his current position; not previous first while burying current. I suggest the following to discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:AD80:40:472:8966:8379:FF2F:85D5 ( talk) 08:21, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Chad Fredrick Wolf (born 1976) is an American government official who is the Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Strategy, Policy, and Plans since 2019. He was named the acting United States secretary of homeland security in November 2019 but, the appointment was ruled unlawful in November 2020, he later submitted his resignation as acting secretary, but not as under secretary, on January 11, 2021.[4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:AD80:40:472:8966:8379:FF2F:85D5 ( talk) 08:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion, it seems to be the non-explicit intent of the commenters in this AfC that this consensus apply only so long as Wolf occupies, or claims to occupy, the office of Acting Secretary.You're omitting some pretty important context there. I agree with AleatoryPonderings that it is still consensus text even if we decide it no longer needs to be the first two sentences. ― Tartan357 Talk 01:17, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
You can honestly say that the current first sentence can be used in a school paper? an opening statement that needs 5 more sentences and a nest of commas to explain? We have a jumbled piece of garbage first paragraph, that is unintuitively confusing as to what his job title is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.179.168.81 ( talk) 09:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
This is a website dedicated to providing current and concise clarity. The "current" beginning paragraph might be well written in 50 years as a biography. But, Currently, anyone who supports it, supports putting confusing history first while burying the top changes of today. I agree with the above that, "We have a jumbled piece of garbage first paragraph, that is unintuitively confusing as to what his job title is." Current first; unless you like sentence spaghetti that causes muddy information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:AD80:40:472:8966:8379:FF2F:85D5 ( talk) 18:57, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Read the first post in this section... I DID. Similar to Michael Jordan's page ... In an encyclopedic order. Current information first... and history in the history. Do you support clarity or soup sandwich sentences built on ego-over-information? I am new here and don't know what or how to create a formal Request for Comment, though you will create a biased one as I probably would - being against garbage..., will you or admin Tartan357 create one please. You both have, know how, and see that a new purple box RfC whatever that is, is being asked for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:AD80:40:472:8966:8379:FF2F:85D5 ( talk) 19:54, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
AleatoryPonderings you agree to change it to "was purported to be acting"? ... illegal acting... unlawfully acting... you agree with our own words that how it stands is not accurate and changes needs to be made. I ask again for Tartan357 who knows how to make an RfC, knowing that a member of this community is asking for one, to make one cause I don't know what or how and don't want to mess it up causing issues that happened with the last one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:AD80:40:472:8966:8379:FF2F:85D5 ( talk) 20:30, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank you Red Rock Canyon I can agree to all of that. Even though AleatoryPonderings knowing it is fact the first statement should include "purported to be acting secretary" and several courts agree... we should wait for something else maybe. I still vote for putting the third sentence (undersecretary) first to create clarity without diminishing previous positions, and not adding anything to previous positions until Further proof is shown that it is needed. To put the anonymous above in my own words, "We need 5 more sentences and a nest of commas just to figure out what the first sentence is saying." and to me that is a failure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:AD80:40:472:8966:8379:FF2F:85D5 ( talk) 23:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hopefully this can be handled by local consensus. Here is a proposed new first graf of the lede. It keeps the consensus language from the RfC, with some necessary modifications in context. I don't think it's that much better than the existing text, but am not opposed to including this text instead. AleatoryPonderings ( ???) ( !!!) 23:30, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Chad Fredrick Wolf (born 1976) is an American government official who has been the United States under secretary of homeland security for strategy, policy, and plans since 2019. Wolf was also named the acting United States secretary of homeland security in November 2019. His appointment as acting secretary was ruled unlawful in November 2020. Wolf submitted his resignation as acting secretary, but not as under secretary, on January 11, 2021.
Comment: It appears that
Golgaltha has entered three !votes in this discussion (one logged out, two with their own signature), which I would like to point out is not acceptable. ―
Tartan357
Talk
22:57, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
What is Wolf's ethnic heritage? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 20:16, 21 August 2022 (UTC)