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Please do not move or rename this article without a discussion and consensus on this page. clariosophic ( talk) 14:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was No consensus to move page, per discussion below. Clariosophic is correct that there is no name convention requiring the move, although this is somewhat beside the point, because we're always free to decide things on a case-by-case basis. Anyway, there is no argument given
Carpenter Gothic → Carpenter Gothic architecture — Per naming convention for architecture articles — Katr67 ( talk) 16:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.The naming convention I was writing about was in these other article page titles:
Each one has "architecture" as the last word.
On the other hand, some architectural style pages do NOT have the word "architecture" appended to the title:
Personally, I don't have any problem with this Carpenter Gothic article being moved to Carpenter Gothic architecture as it helps define what is being talked about. Similarly, some of the architecture topics which don't include the word architecture in their title could benefit from being moved to a better-defined page. Bauhaus is a fine page as it is but includes other subjects such as fine art, typography, etc. Streamline Moderne might benefit from being split into an architecture page and an industrial design (not architecture) page. National Park Service Rustic might well be moved in its entirety to National Park Service Rustic architecture with no adverse effects; in the same vein, American Craftsman could easily become American Craftsman architecture. I think the ambiguity is lessened when the word "architecture" shows up in the title page. Binksternet ( talk) 07:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
More articles that do NOT have architecture in their names:
There are also more articles with architecture in their titles, but the point I am trying to make is that there is no consensus, yet alone a convention, on the naming of such articles. A convention, by the way, is something that had been formally adopted by Wikipedia or one of its projects and is spelled out somewhere in Wikipedia. In conclusion, there is NO naming convention in Wikipedia or its projects that would require or suggest that architecture be added to Carpenter Gothic. User:GearedBull, signed on this page as CApitol3, gave "more common term" as the reason for moving the article to Carpenter Gothic architecture. I would submit that Carpenter Gothic is the more common term and there is no need to add architecture to it. In summation: There is no convention on this. clariosophic ( talk) 15:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC) clariosophic ( talk) 19:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I am curious to editors thoughts on picture editing on the article. The first image is tilted and has telephone or electric cable running through it. The third image, being brick, is stylistically related but atypical of the style. The American Gothic House is both prototypical and quintessential. CApitol3 ( talk) 16:09, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
To reply to the above and the message you placed on my talk page:
Hi Clariosophic. Thanks for sharing your thinking. While there are churches and a few other non-residential examples of Carpenter Gothic, the American Gothic house aside, I believe there to be more examples of residential than church. I understand your liking Episcopal churches. The Grace Episcopal Church sounds like a fine church, and has lovely paint that really shows off the trim, but I think here we you bringing what you know of the place to the subject, and I fear the rest of us not having seen it, don't grasp this from the present picture of it. I don't think the church, or article, justice, or, shows a sterling example of the style. We'll have to agree to disagree on whether the Dibble (American Gothic) House is prototypical and quintessential of Carpenter Gothic. Oak Hill Cottage is Gothic Revival, and being brick, its inclusion is more of a stretch than I can understand. But I admit better than wood in a storm (or with wolves). CApitol3 ( talk) 20:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
This is to let you all know that, for personal reasons, I will have no further involvement in this article. I can't help but question, though, the recent introduction of Rural Gothic, into the article lead since this term was applied in England and later in the United States to brick or stone country houses. Carpenter Gothic was born when these forms were translated into wooden structures. Then free from the restraints of brick or stone, Carpenter Gothic evolved through improvisation, advancing technology and craftsmanship into builder-designed rather than architect-designed structures. Also CG structures have relatively few required identifying characteristics and many optional ones. Account needs to be taken of the changes that took place in CG construction over time. Also CG houses and churches, while sharing some basics, differ in many others, because of their differing purposes. Porches, for instance, were rarely seen on churches. Gables, while found on some early CG churches, are rarely found in later ones. Image quality has been questioned also. Lack of quality may be inherent because of Wikipedia's constraints, which mean that most images are not taken by professionals. Also the physical constraints of the building location play a part in this. Anyway, that's enough. Best wishes. clariosophic ( talk) 16:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
In South Carolina, Graniteville Historic District includes a company town of "early Gothic revival" houses. Check out their pics. I don't know when a wooden Gothic-style structure is called carpenter Gothic or not, but i do know these are pretty nice. doncram ( talk) 23:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
[[:File:Churchofthepresidents.jpg| Church of the Presidents]], Long Branch, New Jersey]] because in my opinion it is not a very good example of the style. Elsewhere on wikipedia it is described as being the Shingle Style, which I don't like much better but that is a problem elsewhere, Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 22:58, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
from the gallery because it really does not seem to show any Gothic details. If anything, I'd call this some odd version of
Greek Revival. (on left) Your thoughts?
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2022 and 17 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Grichmon ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Cheesecassidea.
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Grichmon, I peer-reviewed your article for History of Architecture. Good work.
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> however, in the absence of the restraining influence of genuine Gothic structures,
Perhaps, rather than the obscure "restraining influence", it might be possible to briefly explain that gothic buildings look like that because stone is heavy and stonework needs to be under compressive loads to not fall apart. The style is - in an important sense - fake.
203.13.3.94 ( talk) 00:26, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
A recent RfD for the term " Carpenter's Gothic(k)" caught my eye: googling the term "Carpenter's Gothick" suggests that it's a term used in the UK (though as I'm in UK Google will be biasing towards UK sources) but I'm not sure whether it's the same thing as the (predominantly US) Carpenter Gothic. An architecture expert might like to look into this. Usages include [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. Pam D 09:13, 30 January 2024 (UTC)