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There has been some discussion today over whether
Zoom Airlines operate a scheduled service from Cardiff to Vancouver (as a seasonal route). There is no evidence of this route existing next summer or any time in the future on the
Zoom Website. I have therefore removed any reference to this service on the airport page. A proper reference will need to be found if this destination is to be added here.
SempreVolando (
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20:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC)reply
This route has now been added to the Zoom website and I have also added the start date and seasonal nature of the service to the destinations page.
SempreVolando (
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16:21, 22 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Removal of 2007 onwards section
I have removed the '2007 onwards' section which was written inappropriately (proseline) and contained many non-encyclopedic news-style items which do not belong on a Wikipedia page. As this is not a news service only noteworthy items have been retained and moved into the History section where they belong.
SempreVolando (
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16:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Jersey is a new route for BE from cardiff but why have they not annouced it. You can book it on their website but can they expect many bookings with no announcment? By the way i may have missed the annoucment so sorry if i have.
- Planenut321 —Preceding
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Planenut321 (
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09:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)reply
You're right - there has been no announcement by Flybe or Cardiff Airport, even though tickets for this route have now gone on sale. It's strange to launch a route so quietly, perhaps they will announce it formally in the New Year.
SempreVolando (
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14:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Application only at the moment, you have 14 days to complain before it is approved! - Flybe Limited to operate a scheduled air service between Cardiff and Jersy, The permit would be effective from 1 March 2008.[1]MilborneOne (
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15:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Please do not keep removing my comment above, it originally answered a comment by
Planenut321 which he/she later deleted, although it would have been better to strike it out. Please read guidelines on talkpages about not deleting others comments.
MilborneOne (
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11:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)reply
I do not believe Cardiff Airport is a major UK airport as this article previously stated. The airport is only the 19th largest in the UK and the major UK airports are Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted and Manchester. All other airports are much smaller and are rightly not referred to as major UK airports on Wikipedia. Please do not change the current text for this article until as many of us as possible can contribute to this discussion and come to an agreement on the appropriate wording to use. Thank you.
SempreVolando (
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16:14, 30 December 2007 (UTC)reply
I'm not saying it's in line with those airports, I just think that the definition is wider. I'd consider Bristol, Cardiff, Edinburgh etc. major airports (in contrast to say Newquay, Plymouth, Durham Tees Valley)
Welshleprechaun (
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16:20, 30 December 2007 (UTC)reply
I still feel the wording major UK airport is misleading and gives it too much weight, suggesting an airport much bigger than this one. I would consider that wording along the lines of principal airport for Wales is adequate. The introduction to the article already emphasises the wide area the airport serves and that it is the only airport in Wales offering international flights, and I believe most people would interpret major UK airport as one of the largest in the UK, which it is not. I'd like to hear the opinions of other editors on this topic so we can reach consensus.
SempreVolando (
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16:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)reply
I would rather wait for a few more opinions here, but if none are forthcoming in the next few days would be inclined to agree with a key UK airport.
SempreVolando (
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18:15, 30 December 2007 (UTC)reply
As I dont agree that the term major UK airport, or even a large UK airport are factually correct I thought that is the main airport for Wales was a resonable comprise.
MilborneOne (
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20:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)reply
With no further opinions on this matter here I believe we have consensus that main airport for Wales is the sufficient and most proper statement. As the article already features this wording no change is necessary.
SempreVolando (
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12:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)reply
IP User 213.210.40.35 continues to remove the seasonal note relating to this route, however the airline schedule (
[2]) clearly shows the CWL-YYZ route is seasonal (May to October only). The route is therefore seasonal as it does not operate year-round. I have reverted the change, would the editor involved please discuss the issue here rather than continue to change the article. Thank you.
SempreVolando (
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18:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)reply
Removed the route map as it is unclear and distorted even when enlarged. Suggest if a route map is needed a better quality one is sourced. It could also be deleted as it appears to have the wrong copyright as
User:Planenut321 has claimed he holds the copyright but
User:Peterphillips statement indicates it belongs to Cardiff airport.
MilborneOne (
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11:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)reply
I feel the map looks horrendous and does not do the article any justice at all, it would be nice to move it off the 'Start' class, but something like that cetainly would mean it would not.
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
User:4engines4longhaul (
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contribs) 12:38, 6 August 2008
Consensus here is clearly not to include this poor quality image on the page, however the IP user continues to refuse to discuss their point here and simply reverts any attempts to remove it. I have asked the user again to discuss the issue here.
SempreVolando (
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18:11, 7 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Well pretty much every airport page has a map like this, it may 'look horendous' to you but untill a new one could be found it should stay, cause i think it is an important part of the article. And you have had now problem with it until 1/2 year after its added just as soon as someone makes a fuss you all join in, it aint been a problem till now????. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
92.11.166.211 (
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08:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Right, the map looks awful, end of story. However, it does contain valuable information, so cannot just be deleted and not replaced. Those who want to delete it, do something useful and find/make a better quality image. Until a better quality image is made, the one that is there stays. Stop edit warring over this, stop being lazy and just deleting without offering an alternative, and strive to improve the article, rather than just argue over petty things.
Nouse4aname (
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13:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Minor point most of the comments above relate to
Image:RM.jpg, which is not the same image under discussion. I have added sub-headings to mark the change in image. The image has only been in the article since June 2008 (and has been removed for some of that period) which is not very long in wiki terms. The number of time the image has been removed by different users clearly shows that the image is questionable by some users, although that is no reason to edit war and not discuss it here. The image has a number of problems, it is not clear what it is trying to show, dots on a map are destinations not routes. It shows previous routes which are not considered encyclopedic and are not listed in the article so thay may be issues of original research and verifiability. It only show the UK and Ireland although the airport has other routes. No it is not a vote and we should gather more opinions on this page to gain a concensus either way but in my opinion the image adds no value to the article in its present form.
MilborneOne (
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14:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Ah, two images eh, now that confuses things! The reason I think that it should remain is basically if it gets deleted there will be no incentive for people to find a better alternative, whereas if a poor quality image stays there, hopefully it will drive someone to make/find a better one? That's the theory anyway!
Nouse4aname (
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14:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Please dont assume that we have a concensus either way, only five users have commented, three against not adding and two for adding the image. Numerous others have challenged the addition of the image by reverting it in the article. The onus is still on those that want to add it to the article to explain why it adds value to the article. If no others comment as it stands the concensus is not to add the image. But this discussion had only been going a few days so we should wait and gather other opinions, either way. If users keep adding and removing the image a request to protect the page may be suitable until the discussion is concluded.
MilborneOne (
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13:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Thomas Cook Airlines
An IP user has changed the name of Thomas Cook Airlines to Thomas Cook Airlines UK and has been reverted a number of times. Please note that Thomas Cook Airlines UK Limited is the name of the airline that has a Civil Aviation Authority Operating Licence and that the IP was changing it in good faith not vandalism. It is also useful to tell the difference between Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium and Thomas Cook Airlines Scandinavia. Perhaps editors can come to some consensus on this change and not keep reverting. Thanks.
MilborneOne (
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18:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Well I think their trading name should be used. Plus it links to the UK airline page. What name is used on other airport pages from which it flies. Also I don't consider it good faith repeatedly reverting without giving reason.
WL (
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21:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)reply
First Choice and BH Air
Can Fanrail stop editing the new route from FCA to Caso- De Campo, if you go on thomsonfly.com you will see the route is operting for a while in 2009 with a FCA aircraft.
Can I please state that the airport is officially called La Romana [LRM] and therefore this should be stated rather than Casa de Campo which is a resort close to the airport - we cannot justify placing resorts there instead of the official destination airport! added by
User:fanrail 23 June
AND on the other hand, Onur Air are starting the Antalya next month [seasonal]! So please do not delete this either - I am my own source of information, because I work at CWL!! (User:fanrailuk) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
81.110.108.161 (
talk)
20:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Whoever keeps removing it - I think you'll find that the Antalya route by Onur Air starts on 9 July and contunies every Wednesday until 24 September on behalf of Goldtrail holidays! - Sourcing the Summer 2008 timetable at cwlfly.com —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
81.110.108.161 (
talk)
11:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
bmibaby's future
Can someone elighten me as to why a 'stirring' newspaper report about an airline cutting back in the winter [notably most airlines do this every winter] makes UK Airport News Info {was link 6} a reliable website for information regarding airlines'/airports' futures which, may I add, is affiliated with no official sources??
For this reason, I am removing the 'bmibaby is cutting back' section from the future until someone can provide actual proof, from a reliable source, that the airline is not doing what it normally does and addresses a shorter operating schedule for the winter?
Those in disagreeance or otherwise, please comment.
fanrailuk (
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TNT
Shannon is a cargo destination from EGFF. On the fids it flies to Shannon about 4 times a week. So will Plaincrazy stop editing it.- Planenut321 —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
92.11.115.202 (
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18:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes it does fly to SNN at the moment but it does not pick up any cargo from CWL to SNN, it just drops off as TNT dont have enough aircraft. If this is the case then why dont we add London Gatwick as a destination for Zoom airlines as this drops off passengers and then goes onto LGW without picking up pax from cwl (
Plaincrazy (
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20:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC))reply
Ferrying or positioning flights are not worthy of inclusion in the article. To include such temporary arrangements would make an encyclopedic appraoch nonsensical. I have deleted them. If you wish to re-instate them, please make a proper Wikipedia-based case.
Pete (
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23:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)reply
OHY Antalya
This route is not operating for Summer 2008, it is listed on the CWL timetable but has been cancelled by the tour operator. Please stop adding it back in. (
Plaincrazy (
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20:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC))reply
I agree, it is a much nicer setup, just one thing - I think the remarks column could be a little wider as to not make the table so long, it could be 'bunched' a lot better. (fanrailuk) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
81.110.108.161 (
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09:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't think it warrants a 'Recently Stopped Routes' section of its own, I think just the removal of it from the Scheduled flights section and a mention in the history is enough. (fanrailuk) —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
81.110.108.161 (
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21:10, 28 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Basic Info
We are missing some core data here. What is the actual runway length at CWL, how many a/c stands are available, what is the passenger throughput capacity of the terminal, what is the overall area of the airport's owned land, what's the car parking capacity on-airport and, as far as planning permission allows, off-airport; how much airport-related land/activity is committed in its immediate environment and so on. How much factual information can we assemble here?
Pete (
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00:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Most of the basic data is in the infobox, some of the examples you gave are not particularly encyclopedic (like car-parking capacity) so should not be included. No problem with adding more data but please make sure it is relevant and notable this is an encyclopedia not a travel guide.
MilborneOne (
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Ad-Hoc Charters
Would Joey Boeing 777 stop adding Aer Lingus' ad-hoc rugby charter: these have been removed as they are not official routes from the airport - yes okay, one could buy a seat on the flight - but in this case it is not needed and can therefore be seen as an advertisement.
If the group rejects/disgrees then can I suggest you at the various other ad-hoc rugby flights by TOM to DUB, MON to FCO, BE to FCO...and the list goes on!
Fanrailuk (
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19:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Yes, I agree with this, I have made the necessary changes within the text and added the information regarding the name change in the history section, I believe the main page name should be changed and also the new logo added.
Fanrailuk (
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00:37, 3 March 2009 (UTC)reply
UPDATE: I used the wrong template to request the move. This is not a controversial name change it is a simple, change request which needs administrator assistance. Don't bother adding any more votes or discussion to the section below. The move should go ahead once an administrator gets around to it. Sorry for the confusion. See
Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Uncontroversial_requests for any update on the move. --
TimTay (
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13:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)reply
Survey
Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with*'''Support'''or*'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with~~~~. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.
Support As I proposed the move maybe my support is a given, but just in case it isn't I'll explicitly state my support here. --
TimTay (
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12:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)reply
This is a factual change caused by the re-branding and is supported by a reference I would suggest it doesnt need a vote and can just be moved.
MilborneOne (
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13:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)reply
A simple move doesn't work, I tried that, so it had to be requested instead using the administrator moves process. Part of that process involves setting up a discussion here. --
TimTay (
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13:15, 3 March 2009 (UTC)reply
Hasn't been any problems for 1 year, on other pages, people may not know where these cities are (helps with the term encyclopedia), looks better and should be left as it was. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
92.12.57.239 (
talk)
18:45, 14 March 2009 (UTC)reply
I agree. They have been there for a while and pose no problem. If anyone wants them removed, you'll have to come up with something better than not needed or unnecessary.
Welshleprechaun (
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18:56, 14 March 2009 (UTC)reply
Flags are not normally used in Airport articles, which is why different editors have removed them. Need to know why Cardiff is a special case?
MilborneOne (
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18:59, 14 March 2009 (UTC)reply
That's not really a good reason - just because they're not usually in other articles. If there's no policy or guideline covering it, then there's no problem.
Welshleprechaun (
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19:02, 14 March 2009 (UTC)reply
The whole reason of an encyclopedia is to help people find information, having the flags there helps people se quickly where these places are, some people are not as good as geography as you may be. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
92.12.57.239 (
talk)
19:05, 14 March 2009 (UTC)reply
There has been plenty of discussion in the past regarding use (or misuse) of flags in airport / airline articles. In general the consensus reached is that flags don't really add any value to articles, just colour. See
project discussion (archives from May 2006 to date). Flag icons must be useful to the reader; not merely decorative as in this case. As the Wikipedia MOS states "do not merely decorate". That they featured in the article for 1 year is irrelevant if their inclusion is not appropriate. If people are unaware of the location of the listed airports, they can click on the airport name (that's the idea of wikilinking). It is just as likely they will not recognise many national flags.
SempreVolando (
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19:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)reply
"If there's no policy or guideline covering it,..." but there is, it's the
Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons). To echo SempreVolando, the reader will not always recognise a flag and may still have no idea where the airport is. And another quote from WP:MOS (ICONS), "...(for example, adding a country's flag next to its name may not provide extra information about the subject of the article)." In this case the flag is not beside the name of the country and does not provide any useful information. Flags also have a tendency to cause pointless edit wars, in that sooner or later someone will need to change the flags for Edinburgh, Glasgow and Newcastle, should be thankful there's no NI airport listed, as per "Do not emphasize nationality without good reason" (WP:MOS (ICONS). If flags are required in that table then why not in the airlines and destinations table? Wouldn't the reader have more difficulty figuring out where those airports are? "...looks better...", thats just an opinion and in my opinion it's does not look better. It looks garish and just helps to increase the page size. "They have been there for a while..." is not more a valid reason than a plain not necessary. There is no alt text so screen readers can't use them and the visually impared reader is at a disadvantage. And once more from the WP:MOS (ICONS), "When a flag icon is used for the first time in a list or table,...". So to follow the MOS it is either no flags, which I feel is best, or UK, so that the country is associated with the flag.
Enter CambridgeBayWeather,waits for audience applause,not a sausage20:55, 14 March 2009 (UTC)reply
Can whoever added the new routes from Flybe such as Frankfurt and Rennes please explain the source. I can't find any mention of them on the Flybe website or the airport website. Thanks
Welshleprechaun (
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13:47, 21 March 2009 (UTC)reply
I am interested to find out about this too?! Can someone please shed some light soon else they'll have to be removed as there is no hard proof.
Fanrailuk (
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12:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)reply
Not correct. The original project is on hold and being reviewed in the light of the financial downturn, and other options are being considered. flyforbeans remains as a body corporate. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
41.210.25.33 (
talk)
13:58, 3 July 2011 (UTC)reply
Airport Name Changes
It has recently been noted that certain members are keen to change the name of airports to reflect the city/island that they serve. Here I am opening the discussion the the formality of naming airports by their respective names and not the places they serve, e.g. Mahon not Minorca (island); Newcastle not Newcastle-upon-Tyne (city) > if the case is that the general consensus that names should reflect destinations, where do we stand on Arrecife? My vote is to keep in line with a lot of other airport pages/if not all, and have the airport names rather than the destination served. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Fanrailuk (
talk •
contribs)
20:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)reply
The Cardiff airport talk page is hardly the place to discuss naming conventions for airports in Spain and Newcastle! This is something to discuss at
WP:Airports. Thanks.
Jasepl (
talk)
20:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Well, this is the place the discussion will start. All comments are all welcome. Plus I have looked comprehensively at
WP:Airports and nowhere is there a section/statement outlining the above as a standard requirement.
Fanrailuk (
talk)
09:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Fanrailuk are you talking about the name of the airport as used in the articles title or what is used in the destinations list? If the former then the name of the airport but if the latter the name of the city/island. To use your example most readers are going to know where Minorca is but not where Mahon Airport is. By the way
Mahon Airport redirects to
Minorca Airport and a better example would be
Frank País Airport and
Holguín. If you look at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports/page content#Body it shows that consensus is to have the city names, look at item #5. Jasepl is right though, this is not the place for the discussion. While there may be nothing at WP:Airports saying it needs to be discussed there, common sense says that it should be discussed in a place where more people from a wider range of airport articles will see it. This discussion has come up before at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports and that's where it should be now.
Enter CambridgeBayWeather,waits for audience applause,not a sausage10:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Cardiff Airport naming
To the IP who was inserting "Rhoose Airport" - "Cardiff Airport" is the current official name of the airport. The history of the many name changes belong in the History sections, not the lead. Thanks.
Welshleprechaun (
talk)
13:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Free Airport Shuttle
"The nearest railway station to the airport is Rhoose Cardiff International Airport railway station on the Vale of Glamorgan Line. This was linked by a free shuttle bus to the departures terminal but the service was suspended in April 2010"
- This shuttle bus was run by the airport itself. They threatened to stop the shuttle (as evident in the source), but the Welsh Assembly has since taken over the operation. The shuttle does still run. I'm going to edit the article to reflect these changes.--
82.30.202.99 (
talk)
10:04, 15 June 2010 (UTC)reply
Tunisia - passenger numbers
I'm not quite sure how we get a nearly 24000% increase in passengers to Tunisia, Enfidha when there apparently are only 21665 passengers going there? --
wintoniantalk03:57, 11 February 2013 (UTC)reply
Passenger Numbers
It does seem strange to me that in the opening paragraph it suggests that passenger numbers are on the increase 2012 figures quoted saying 2% increase over 2011. It is two years out of date and the figures are wrong. The main talking point is about Cardiff airport gradual decline from a peak of 2.1m in 2007 to less the 1 million in 2015. — Preceding
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