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Is this really a debated item? I've never heard anyone argue that Kyoto is the capital of Japan while Tokyo is not. If this is a "debate" it would be interesting to have links to sites that argue this point. CES 06:23, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Yes, there is a debate about whether Kyoto is a capital of Japan. However, it is far less serious, and has no more consequence, than the debate about whether Elvis Presley is still alive.
While acknowledging the existence of a debate, I should also point out that Kyoto is not a capital of Japan. There is no room for any debate that is even a tenth as serious as the Elvis debate.
The main argument advanced in this article is that when Tokyo was declared a capital, Kyoto was not declared no longer to be the capital. This "debate" is about as meaningful as the debate about whether a person could have been born if there is no record of the birth.
Elvis is dead. And Kyoto is not a capital of Japan.
Any Wikipedia article that asserts that Japan has, or even might have, multiple capitals should immediately be corrected. Japan has only one capital. Tokyo is the capital of Japan.
I too am disturbed by the advancement of the idea that there is any sort of active debate on this issue. The belief that Kyoto is the "legitimate" capital represents a truly marginal viewpoint. The consensus of my (knowledgable) Japanese friends is that this false controversy represents, rather, an unhealed trauma over the removal of government and prestige to the Kanto region on the part of a few misguided "scholars" - a simple case of sour historical grapes.
-- Taku 02:02, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
I found this page from (of all places) a link on an article about countries with multiple capitals that stated: "Some people also argue that Tokyo and Kyoto are both capitals of Japan at present. See capital of Japan debate." I guess I was just surprised more than anything else ... I'm not Japanese but I've studied the culture and language for a while in addition to living in Japan for a few years, and I had never heard anything about this topic. I guess what I fear is that some people will think that there really is an open debate about whether Tokyo or Kyoto is the capital of Japan. I'm not sure what a better title would be, but I think the word "debate" in "Capital of Japan debate" implies far greater room for argument than there is. Taku suggested "Capital of Japan" ... sounds good to me at least. Interesting article, I just think the title's a bit misleading. CES 06:48, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I thought this article was 'debate' was going to make a part about the physical location of the capital AS Tokyo or WITHIN Tokyo (e.g. Chiyoda-ku). Many people insist that because Tokyo isn't technically a city, it can't be a capital and thus the chief ward stands as the capital of Japan. I think this might be a technicality worth pointing out, but the argument about capital never being clearly defined really isn't. Capital isn't a Japanese word and the 'new' word 首都 that is used to tranliterate capital obviously isn't of great legal concequence to the Japanese. If a law states that the Capital Area of Japan is Tokyo, then it should be assumed legally and informally that Tokyo (or part of Tokyo) is the capital of Japan. I'm sure the law/status/legality is very clearly defined in Japanese, but it's people that can't get a good handle on the legal translations that cause trouble criticising the clarity of the English versions. freshgavin TALK 02:05, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
According to the list of successive capitals, Naniwa was the capital in the 4th century for a time. However, according to my sources (in particular, G.B. Sansom's "History of Japan to 1334") the Yamato people, in their movement and expansion across the islands, did not first come across the site until 663. While I'm willing to allow for some major discrepancies between the chronicles (Nihonshoki, etc) and actual historical chronology, I am wondering where this information came from. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, sources? Thank you. LordAmeth 12:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
This article - in the English wiki - looks to be made up of primary sources - mostly in Japanese. Where are the scholarly peer-reviewed secondary sources? This whole debate seems to fall entirely within Fringe anyway. Last month the "no references" template was added. I'm tempted to move that this article be nominated for deletion. Do any editors have any Reliable Sources to utilize that justify the existence of the article? HammerFilmFan ( talk) 18:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
This paragraph was removed because it has no obvious source support.
Any or all of these sentences can be restored. Some discussion appears to be needed. -- Enkyo2 ( talk) 14:35, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I am removing the "Multiple Issues" banner. First, no notes were provided when the banner was placed to indicate what wording was objectionable. Second, since the banner was placed, references have been provided and "citation needed" tags have been applied to the few places where additional references might be helpful. A lot of rewording was done during this process. Finally, the only paragraph that seems to have remained for a while with vague phrasing was removed and placed in the section above this over a year ago. The banner no longer serves any purpose. If there are objections to specific parts of the article, those should be noted on this talk page and discussed. Don Lammers ( talk) 16:27, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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Someone added the term "de facto" in relation to Tokyo's status as the capital of Japan, and I am removing it, because there's nothing in the cited sources supporting that assertion. Also, this "debate" was discussed on this talk page previously (see sections Capital "Debate" and Paragraph with no inline source cites). As we see in the previous discussions, there was insufficient support for retaining the "de facto" wording and it was removed. It appears that the prior consensus was that the "de facto" assertion was not sufficiently supported by reliable sources, and since then, nothing has been posted here to effectively refute those discussions and establish a contrary consensus. In order to honor the spirit and letter of WP:NOR, WP:RS, WP:FRINGE and WP:BRD, please do not add that wording again unless consensus has been established to add it. -- HLachman ( talk) 05:59, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
It would be useful to list the seats of power of the people actually ruling Japan from 1185 to 1868, surely? john k ( talk) 00:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC)