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Frank Vogelezang ( talk) 21:50, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
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Suggest we rename the section The method structure to The method applicability — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colinrhammond ( talk • contribs) 12:06, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Template messages seem to be all solved. Please advise if we can also delete notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frankvogelezang ( talk • contribs) 13:39, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Based on Frankvogelezang ( talk · contribs)'s user page, he is the president of the company. I understand now. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 16:57, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
The community on Functional Size Measurement, of which the COSMIC method is part, is a small community and those who are willing to publish on Wikipedia are an even smaller group, so CoI is hard to evade. To avoid the possible bias I will submit further changes via a request on this page and declare the CoI on this page. COSMIC is an open method, freely accessible and usable by any software professional who wants to do so and my position is unpaid. Frank Vogelezang ( talk) 21:21, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
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Information to be added: The COSMIC method is recognized as ISO Standard ISO/IEC 19761. The link is ref 2, but the mention that it is an ISO standard is missing in the text, where all other relevant standards are mentioned with their ISO-number in the text. This is an important secondary source that is missing from the article. Can someone without CoI add this reference? Frank Vogelezang ( talk) 21:58, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
The mention that it is an ISO standard is missing in the text.The requested claim is already in the article, as the last sentence of The method section: "The foundation of the method is the ISO/IEC 19761 standard, which contains the definitions and basic principles that are described in more detail in the COSMIC measurement manual."
Regards, Spintendo 03:08, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
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Information to be added or removed: In the 'The method' section there is "Measurement Manual". I suggest to add here the reference to the Manual on cosmic-sizing:
Explanation of issue: Speaks for itself References supporting change: - Lesterhuisa ( talk) 17:49, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Lesterhuisa ( talk) 18:52, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
References
My recent changes improve clarity and readability IMO and apart from Walter, I see no complaints. I am an enthusiast of the COSMIC methodology and I have a company that uses its methodology. I do not work for COSMIC so I fail to understand the direct conflict of interest as I understand it. It's like declaring a COI on a page about apple products by someone who has an apple product. Only the community who understand the COSMIC methodology are well placed to accurately explain it in the context of other functional sizing methodologies. The page is currently misleading, kindly unblock please. Colinrhammond ( talk) 06:01, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining Walter.
Would it have been more acceptable to split latest generation from previous generations by using headings instead of a new section like this?
Colinrhammond ( talk) 15:27, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
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Information to be added or removed: see the existing text below and add the two indicated phrases, the first one starts and ends with @1, the second one starts and ends with @2. Also I uploaded a figure from the MM: COSMIC-Wikipedia.png, it would be great if it could be added:
The method translates the Functional User Requirements of the software to @1a number of functional processes, each with a number of data movements. A data movement moves data about a ‘thing’. There are@1 four types of data movements: • Entry (E) • Exit (X) • Read (R) • Write (W) @2When a functional user moves data into the software, a COSMIC function point (CFP) is identified for each unique “Entry, ‘thing’” combination. Idem for the Exit, Read and Write data movements.@2 The function point count provides measurement of software size. It may be used to estimate (and benchmark) software project effort, cost, duration, quality and maintenance work.
Explanation of issue: From the present text the relationship between 'data movement' and 'size' isn't clear References supporting change: None Lesterhuisa ( talk) 19:00, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
1) The bullet points preceding the data movements can be replaced by commas, the sentences become
"The method translates the Functional User Requirements of the software to four types of data movements: Entry (E), Exit (X), Read (R) and Write (W). The function point count provides measurement of software size."
2) The present text speaks of "data movements" and "function points", however doesn't explain their relationship. The text between both @2s explains this relationship.
3) The source of 2) is the Measurement Manual (mentioned in the article, can be downloaded for free).
4) Please apply the changes including adding the image "Wikipedia.png" and remove the protect mode.
Lesterhuisa ( talk) 17:43, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
Walter,
No.
I hope this is clear Lesterhuisa ( talk) 09:38, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
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I added a couple of sentences about automation and the future with two expert citations and MrOllie who appears not to be expert in COSMIC keeps blocking them.
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The US Government Audit office reference 16 should be updated to the latest version of March 2020 https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-20-195g.pdf -- Colinrhammond ( talk) 16:08, 17 April 2022 (UTC)