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Biblioclasm versus ethnic genocide
This page is discussing and defining general terms that are elsewhere defined in Wikipedia. Wikipedia defines
book burning (the link for
biblioclasm) as ceremonial burnings. The use here does not conform with Wikipedia's article and link. It does conform with the definition described in the article
ethnic genocide. I have moved the term definition here. If this definition is relevant, it should be merged into the discussion of biblioclasm. *^Term:Biblioclasm, which the
Oxford English Dictionary defines as the deliberate destruction of books, a cultural offence of the first magnitude. Some of the ancient calamities are destruction of the
Alexandria library in
Egypt. Well known historic event was the destruction of thousands of books made from the bark of trees and bearing the wisdom of
Mayan culture were put in fire and burnt in 1562 in
Mexico, because a
Spanish friar wanted to "cleanse" the natives of "devilish" thoughts. The late 20th century
China's
Red Guard wiped out artefacts and books in the takeover of
Tibet in the 1960s.
Pol Pot destroyed many books in auto
genocide of
Cambodia in the 1970s. On
August 25,
1992, the
Serbs extended "
ethnic cleansing" to the National and University Library of
Bosnia and Herzegovina in
Sarajevo, resulting in 1.5 million books and manuscripts being incinerated in one night.[1] 169.232.232.101 (
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03:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Wikipedia does not define
biblioclasm as ceremonial. It says "often ceremoniously" not always. An example given in the biblioclasm article includes Sarajevo National Library, an almost identical act to the Jaffna library burning. The term citation at the bottom of the Jaffna library article also gives the Oxford English dictionary of the term, which again uses the Sarajevo library as an example of biblioclasm. Biblioclasm is an act of cultural genocide, but the specific term biblioclasm applies here because the case in question is cultural genocide against a library. That is exactly the definition of biblioclasm.
Age Happens (
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03:41, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply
"Book burning (a category of biblioclasm, or book destruction) is the practice of destroying, often ceremoniously, one or more copies of a book or other written material. In modern times, other forms of media, such as phonograph records, video tapes, and CDs have also been ceremoniously burned, torched, or shredded. The practice, usually carried out in public, is generally motivated by moral, religious, or political objections to the material." does not describe this situation better than "the deliberate destruction of the cultural heritage of a people or nation for political, military, religious, ideological, ethnical, or racial reasons." The use of term definitions is for the purpose of defining terms specific to a situation, not the term in general. Again, if yu want to change the meaning of biblioclasm, do it there.
169.232.232.101 (
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03:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Tamilnet is a notable source and is a qualified source. Thought it might be pro-rebel nothing it does not automatically mean that it cannot be added to EL. All that is needed is for the concerned party to add a anti-rebel EL to this and it would be perfectly balanced. Thanks
Watchdogb (
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13:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Apologies for the delay. Taprobanus, If anyone here has got a review from a reliable source admiring this yet not released video documentary, then add it back. Watchdogb, Yes usually spam comes as external links and has to be taken much more care since this documentary is not released and this could be an obvious spam attempt. Wiki Raja, So what do you want me to do? Buy all crap that is posted on pro terrorist tamilnut? --
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tool box04:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)reply
While I don't see a racial slur here, I agree with the reminder for civilty. You won't improve Wikipedia by using foul language; you need to provide convincing reasons. --
Sebastian (
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18:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)reply
So your only point is that this documentary is not published yet and has not been reviewed and therefore might be "spam". If the documentary is out, then we can add it back ? How about the use of Tamilnet on other External links ? You oppose this ?
Watchdogb (
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18:20, 16 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Yet I didn't pull out my objection. I would like to see a reasonable review from a reliable source for this documentary to confirm this video documentary is neutral and related to the topic. I wonder how can we rely over this unreleased video documentary. --
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tool box18:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Hmm, that's not really a review. It doesn's say anything about the trustworthiness or particular noteworthiness of the movie. (By "particular noteworthiness" I mean anything that goes beyond a short mention in the newspaper. Or else I would be noteworthy because my picture and name once appeared in a newspaper.) Also, Daily Mirror is not in our list of reliable sources
WP:SLR#QS yet. If you feel it should be, please bring it up on
WT:SLR.
Sebastian (
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16:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Thanks Sebastian. So far, the only information with the most news coverage on Tamil news Northeast of Sri Lanka would be Tamil Net, since the government does not allow other media in there. Further, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have confirmed Sri Lanka's attack on media that does not fall in line with them. Regards.
Wiki Raja (
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22:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)reply
So far, the most credible source for this film would be Tamil Net. Major news agencies use this site as the only reliable source of information on Tamils living Northeast of Sri Lanka and elsewhere. Here are some newspapers which use TamilNet:
A little back to the point as to why a link to the documentary shouldn't be added,
WP:LINKSPAM may be relevant in this case. Sri Lankan media will give coverage to new documentaries, movies and books etc. they hear about, but every such piece of media is not suitable to be mentioned in Wikipedia articles. If it is actually reviewed by a major publication, and is accepted as a authoritative account of the library, then a link could be added to the page. But right now all that is present is advertisements for the documentary, and we have no info about it's neutrality and accuracy. --
snowolfD4(
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@ )03:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)reply
We should wait till the movie comes out and see what RS sources cover it (we already have 2 but it is prior to release) and incorporate it as part of the maina article at that point. Thanks Wikiraj for your excellent work on finding it in Daily Mirror which obviously is an RS source.
Taprobanus (
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13:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm sorry, Teasereds, I have to remove the link since the arguments against it have not been refuted. I do realize that you are new, and you were making an effort to comply with the editing restrictions by reverting yourself. Please take a look at our
classification of sources. If there is disagreement about that classification, please let's discuss it on
WT:SLR.
Sebastian (
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02:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Refs 3&4 are RS but state allegations and accusations; refs 1&2 are NOT RS therefore questionable. TO state heading with refs 3&4 would be editorializing.
Cossde (
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06:46, 17 December 2011 (UTC)reply
According to Ref: 3, the following is the excerpts
[18];
"The takeover of Mrs Nakkunanandan's reading room by Sinhalese squaddies might no doubt be considered a symbol of this. A more potent image was created in 1981, when a Sinhalese mob, allegedly including many policemen, burned to ashes the public library in Jaffna, a battle-scarred peninsula off northern Sri Lanka."
The above para clearly states, it is a "Sinhalese mob" but according to this Ref, it is "allegedly including many policemen".
According to Ref: 4, the following is the excerpts
[19];
1981 Sinhala policemen accused of burning the Jaffna Public Library, causing further resentment in Tamil community.
The above para clearly states, "Sinhala policemen accused".
In Sri Lanka, there is a conflict between Sinhlese and Tamils. It is the obvious fact Americans or Russians won't come and put a fire on the Library which is the treasure house for Tamils other than Sinhalese mobs.
Sudar123 (
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08:23, 17 December 2011 (UTC)reply
Both refs 1&2 are not RS as they have not been proven as RS. If you can it could be accepted. As the editor who entered the content it is your burden.
Exactly, just as you quoted from refs 3&4 they remain as they are allegations and accusations. Allegations and accusations are NOT confirmations as such can not be added to something like the inforbox that contain factual data, but could be mentioned as allegations and accusations in the content of the article. Since neither of the two RS state paramilitaries or politicians they should be removed. Therefore we could list Perpetrators as a "Sinhalese mob" as stated in ref 3.
Cossde (
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16:34, 18 December 2011 (UTC)reply
If the refs 1&2 can't be RS and should be proven as RS then many of the RS on Wikipedia should be removed. Again how
Lakbima can't be a RS, I couldn't understand...that is only your POV.
Sudar123 (
talk)
10:16, 19 December 2011 (UTC)reply
The Ref 1 & 2 speak for the tragedy of a burning of a Library which is/was treasured by a community. That makes the content is not of a tabloid nature and validates the sources as well they are not tabloid in nature. Again they are; a website of an NGO based in Colombo and other one is from a registered newspapers in Sri Lanka.
But Rathika Sitsabaiesan article is about her cleavage; the amount of importance it has, is meager to the rest of the society and mostly too personal for the subject concerned , and is tabloid in nature.
Sudar123 (
talk)
06:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)reply
It image was relating to her official parliamentary photo. Editing such a important photo shows the underlining policies that people must be aware of. If it was her personal website then it is tabloid in nature. Not in the case of a official parliamentary photo.
Cossde (
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07:39, 20 December 2011 (UTC)reply
If you troll around further and twisting and messing, I will take you for a ArbCom, consulting with other editors. You have become a terrible POV pusher and a Bully on Wikipedia.
Sudar123 (
talk)
06:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)reply
Is that a threat ? Why not now ? Or are you trying to find supporters to back you up. Why can not you take it direct to ArbCom.
Cossde (
talk)
10:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)reply
I have noticed that this article may be vandalized or twisted by unregistered users. Would it be better of this article is given some level of protection?
UMDP (
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16:18, 1 May 2015 (UTC)reply
burnt scrolls - article should state some examples
A tragedy like this should have some details about the ancient/historical items that were lost in the fire - are there any listings for some of the scrolls that were burnt?
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10:05, 31 May 2015 (UTC)reply
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