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This appears to still be a NPOV problem; wording has been added to specify but is reverted. Specifically impartial tone and words to watch; endorsing a view that the center doesn't by citing a single article expression of 'liberal think tank' while the other referenced source doesn't agree and notes 'sometimes viewed as' which clearly does not specify an endorsed or commonly agreed view. The sources should be updated to provide adequate representation of 'progressive, liberal...non-partisan' is being used as a factual descriptor vs. opinion. Avoid stating opinions as facts.
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13:12, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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Quick question, how exactly can something be liberal or progressive but be nonpartisan? Isn't that a contradiction?
It's not a contradiction because
partisan refers to affiliation with a political party. Being nonpartisan means there is no affiliation with a political party. It doesn't mean there is no ideology (e.g. liberal or progressive)--just no official relationship with a political party.
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21:02, 5 August 2019 (UTC)reply
It may not be a contradiction, but I don't see anything stating that this is a factual representation. I see a news story from CBS mentioning it as a 'liberal thank tank' and the other document notes that 'it is sometimes seen as' liberal/progressive but that it also has helped conservatives (i.e. John McCain getting on the GOP ballot). So I'm not sure stating that it unequivocally as a sourced article is valid; unless of course 'opinion' is enough to be cited as fact.
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22:11, 6 August 2019 (UTC)reply
It is a contradiction. Reference wiki entries for partisan and nonpartisanism. Partisan says affiliation, where the nonpartisan entry refers to affiliation and bias. The difference seems to stem from a disagreement between the Merriam Webster and Oxford dictionaries. The center itself does not claim partisan or nonpartisan status, but rather comes from the reference noted in the supporting article. It is worth noting, however, that the referenced article states in the exact same sentence, that "the center is generally seen as espousing a progressive or liberal point of view" (and unless you demonstrate those ideologies are shared equally among parties then a bias exists). Depending on which definition wins out, the entry should be revised to partisan the chosen definition should be propagated by revising other entries to explicitly state their non-partisan status. NRA and Federalist society perhaps? Given that the center does not claim one way or the other, the point should just be deleted. — Preceding
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21:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC)reply
The center itself does claim non-partisan and many reference materials exist agreeing. There is no reputable source saying otherwise, there is an article that notes that it is 'generally seen as' but no actual data backing this comment up. As such, it barely deserves the mention it already has on the page. I'd propose we remove that comment altogether unless there is more than subjective text of an article that otherwise highlights their non-partisan work. Quote: 'The Brennan Center for Justice is a nonpartisan law and policy institute.'; source:
Brennan Center About Page. Your comment about NRA and Federalist is just being sensationalist to highlight your own view; the Federalist wiki article already mentions their non-partisan claim and the criticisms/rebuttals directly as it actual has documented conflict, whereas the Brennan society does not. The NRA doesn't claim to be non-partisan, so likewise is irrelevant. Remember, this is Wikipedia not conserva-paedia. — Preceding
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Ergo Sum, I would like an explanation as to why you reverted my edit. I looked through the sources in this article, and did not see any which demonstrate
notability, as the ones which are reliable and independent are simple name drops. Could you please explain what references lead you to believe this subject is notable?
SeraphimbladeTalk to me00:56, 13 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Redirection is not "page blanking". I asked a specific question and would like a specific answer, please. Which references lead you to believe that this subject is notable?
SeraphimbladeTalk to me01:33, 13 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Which is not deletion. I am still now, after asking several times, not clear which sources lead you to believe that this subject is notable. I am not looking for the article to be deleted, just redirected (with merge if desired), so I cannot file an AfD to ask for the article to not be deleted. Please list the sources which lead you to believe the article is notable, or any objection is invalid.
SeraphimbladeTalk to me01:44, 13 August 2019 (UTC)reply
The page blanking policy is very clear. If you're not happy with two editors' interpretation of that policy and application to the present circumstances, I recommend obtaining a
WP:3O or, as has been stated many times now, listed at AFD. I must advise that, having seen this precise dispute play out on several occasions, at either, you will get the same answer as you have already gotten.
Ergo Sum02:00, 13 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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One valuable addition to the article would be the inclusion of images. Incorporating visuals would provide readers with a more comprehensive perspective of the organization's impact on the community. Furthermore, I suggest incorporating a section on how individuals can become involved with the organization.
This section could be concise and structured as follows:
Ways to Support/Join
For individuals interested in actively participating in the organization, there are various avenues to consider. By signing up for the newsletter, you can stay informed about the organization's current events and remain updated on the initiatives and changes aimed at uplifting the community.
Additionally, individuals can support and join the Brennan Center for Justice through multiple means, including:
• By mail: You can contribute or become a member by sending your donations or applications through traditional mail.
• Online: Joining or donating through the organization's website offers a convenient and accessible option.
• Through stocks and retirement funds: Explore opportunities to support the organization by leveraging financial assets.
• Joining the Brennan Legacy Circle: Consider becoming a part of this dedicated group that actively contributes to the organization's enduring impact.
These enhancements would enrich the article by providing readers with both a visual understanding of the organization's work and practical guidance on how to engage with it. — Preceding
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19:29, 3 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for proposing potentially controversial edits on the talk page before implementing them. While it would be good to have suitable images included in the article (perhaps of an event run by the Brennan Center), fundraising and other promotional text or links would most certainly run afoul of
WP:NOTPROMO.
Ergo Sum19:47, 3 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The proposed content about becoming involved with the group via fundraising, etc. is not appropriate--that's the type of content one would expect to find on the group's own website, but not in an encyclopedic article.
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02:24, 4 October 2023 (UTC)reply