The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that after Dua Lipa wrote her song "Break My Heart", she noticed similarities to
INXS's "
Need You Tonight" and decided to credit the band?
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If you have the genres, use them in the article. Also, you are still intepreting genres, being "funk drenched" or having "elements" of a genre, does not mean it's part of a genre and is interpreting a source poorly.
Andrzejbanas (
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17:07, 6 July 2020 (UTC)reply
GA Review
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Following on from your recent review of one of my articles, I will take this one on. However, the review will come in stages of sorts because the article is large, so do not think it is complete once I have only added comments for a few sections. --
Kyle Peake (
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16:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks, I'm going to start addressing the comments you have written now and I'll wait for the next ones.
LOVI3319:46, 4 July 2020 (UTC)reply
"As it samples work by
INXS,
Michael Hutchence and
Andrew Farriss are also credited as songwriters." add something like this as its own sentence instead; take the GA "
Yikes" for example
"The song interpolates the rhythm-guitar melody from" → "It
interpolates the rhythm-guitar melody of" with the target and this should directly come after the release sentence in the new order
""Break My Heart" is a" → "The song is a"
Started new paragraph here instead to keep the Music and lyrics additions together
"song that follows and" → "track that includes a"
"A vulnerable song, it sees" → "A vulnerable song, "Break My Heart" sees" with the new para starting here instead
"whether a new love will leave" → "if a new love will leave"
""Break My Heart" was released on" → "The song was released for
digital download and
streaming on" with the targets and put this directly after writing/production
"from music critics with many commenting on the song's production" → "from
music critics, with many praising the production" with the target
"debuted at number six on the
UK Singles Chart and at number twenty-one" → "entered at number 6 on the
UK Singles Chart and at number 21" per
MOS:NUM on comparable values
"Internationally, "Break My Heart" has reached the top ten in seventeen other territories" → "Internationally, the song has peaked within the top 10 of 17 other countries"
"where it reached number one" → "where it reached the summit"
"The accompanying 1990s-inspired
music video for "Break My Heart" was" → "The accompanying 1990s-inspired
music video was"
Add some info about the video synopsis and reception here
"were also released" → "were also released for "Break My Heart""
"Lipa has promoted the single" → "Lipa has promoted the song"
Add release year of "Just Give Me a Reason" in brackets
"gave the most positive review at PopMatters giving it" → "provided the most positive review at PopMatters, giving the song"
"praising the song's meaning and production" → "praising its meaning and production"
"wrote that "Break My Heart"" → "opined that "Break My Heart""
"calling it" → "viewing it as"
Done
Commercial performance
"debuted at number seventy-six" → "debuted at number 76"
"It later entered in the
UK Singles Chart, reaching number six the following week," → "It entered the
UK Singles Chart the following week, reaching number six,"
"Lipa's ninth UK top ten single" → "Lipa's ninth top 10 single on the chart"
"in the top ten that week" → "in the top 10 of the UK Singles Chart that week"
"sixty years to have three songs chart simultaneously in the top ten" → "60 years to have a trio of songs appear simultaneously in the top 10"
"it was certified silver" → ""Break My Heart" was certified silver"
Add BPI in brackets and mention that silver was for 200,000 units sold
The two sentences referenced above (UK Singles Chart performance, and BPI certification) have no ref(s) to back them up
"top forty in twenty-one other European territories" → "top 40 in 21 other European territories"
Citations are needed to back these claims up
""Break My Heart" has reached number one in one territory, doing so in Israel" → ""Break My Heart" reached number one on the Israel Media Forest chart" since this section makes it clear that the song only reached number one on that chart with the prose
I'm not stating it anymore; add citations in appropriate places for any info that does not have sources in this section
"in Australia, the song debuted at number fourteen" → "in Australia, the song debuted at number 14"
"so far has reached a peak of seven" → "has currently reached a peak of number 7"
"it has so far reached number twelve" → "the song has so far reached number 12"
"That same week, it also debuted atop the NZ Hot Singles Chart." Remove this, it is not notable
"In Canada, "Break My Heart" debuted at number forty-seven" → "On the
Canadian Hot 100, "Break My Heart" debuted at number 47" with the wikilink
"peaked at fourteen in the following June" → "peaked at number 14 in June of the year"
"In the United States, the song" → "In the US, the song"
"number thirty-seven" → "number 37"
"the following week, debuting at number twenty-one, Lipa's" → "the following week at number 21, becoming Lipa's"
"most added song of the week" → "most added song for the week"
"entered the top ten in American pop radio with" → "entered the top 10 of American pop radio, with"
Done
Music video
Background and production
"The accompanying music video for "Break My Heart" premiered" → "The music video for "Break My Heart" premiered"
"Henry Scholfield who also directed" → "Henry Scholfield, who also directed"
Add the release years of the videos in brackets
"The video was shot in" → "The visual was shot in"
"It features 1990s-inspired slide clips" → "It features slide clips that were inspired by the 1990s"
"While filming the video," → "During filming for the video,"
"To create the video," → "For creation of it,"
"wire work and a tilting set" → "wire work, and a tilting set"
"The sets for the video were built across three stages and were" → "The sets for the music video were built across three stages and"
Done
Credits and personnel
This is a neat addition, but unfortunately is not sourced properly per
WP:INSTAGRAM-EL
Replaced source
If you can find another source, then keep this section and use {{
spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel in both areas; otherwise, remove it
Done
Synopsis
"blowing a bubble with gum," → "blowing a bubble with gum in the music video," on the img main text
"The video begins with Lipa jumping" → "The music video begins with Lipa jumping"
"traffic-jammed city block.[65] She wears" → "traffic-jammed city block, while wearing" and put [65] at the end of the sentence before [66] in this order
"As she is walking, one of the cars" → "As she walks, one of the cars"
"Lipa is seen wearing" → "Lipa is then seen wearing" since it is about a later point than the first outfit
"white shoes and a white skirt" → "white shoes and a skirt of the same colour"
"apartment where she struggles to maintain her balance" → "apartment, struggling to maintain her balance in the apartment"
"is a metaphor for being uncertain" → "is a metaphor for Lipa being uncertain"
"The apartment then turns" → "After the scene, the apartment turns"
"She lands on an airplane seat where she gets up and walks" → "Lipa lands on an airplane seat, followed by her getting up on the plane and walking"
"on the plane is that of" → "on the plane is the one from
psychological horror film"
"jacket and skirt with black lining," → "jacket, and skirt with black lining,"
"on her and she wakes up in a bed" → "on her, leading to Lipa waking up in a bed"
"Lipa runs scared into the bathroom" → "Lipa runs scared into the bathroom,"
"her shoes and beds" → "her shoes, and beds"
"bathtub which turns into a frothy pink martini" → "bathtub, which turns into a frothy pink martini that"
"and a red and white" → "and red and white"
[69][66] should be in numerical order
"The video concludes looking at all" → "The music video concludes by looking at all"
"of the transitions before Lipa blows" → "of the transitions, before Lipa blows"
Done
Reception
"called it a" → "called the visual a"
"and LED-lit sets"." → "and
LED-lit sets."" with the target
"Writing for PopMatters, Ian Rushbury called" → "Rushbury labelled" since he's the only Rushbury mentioned in this article
Add the release year of the video in brackets
"by
Pulp writing that the video" → "by
Pulp, writing that the clip"
Brazil, CIS, Israel and South Korea peaks are not properly backed up currently
Fixed Brazil, CIS, see
Template:single chart, Israel has a note on how to obtain the correct chart and I think the South Korean Gaon chart website is down because it is not working on Google.
Even though they were on the same date, rows should be separate for the Solardo Remix and Moon Boots Remix; span 12 June 2020 for two rows in this order
Done
See also
Good
References
Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
Copyvio score needs work at 49.2%; fix quoting from ref 3 to sort this out
This is because of the quote I have in the "Music and lyrics" section, should I remove it?
Cite a number of countries for refs 34 and 38 to verify the releases were indeed various
Remove ref 49 since ref 50 should be used at that position instead
Remove the author of ref 50
Remove wikilink on Official Charts Company for ref 52
Remove or replace ref 60 per WP:INSTAGRAM-EL
Ditto for refs 61 and 62
Ref 63 should cite as Paris, Calin Van instead since otherwise it reads in a confusing manner
Remove or replace refs 65 and 83 since
PopSugar are a gossip website and not a reputable music critic
Removed one, the other is just confirming that the Graduate Together performance happened, it does not add any thing else to the article.
Still, the source is not a reliable one so should not be used either way; try and replace since I'm sure another source states this --
Kyle Peake (
talk)
05:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Not done According to
WP:SPS, Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert and this source is from RIM making it reliable. If you look at GA "
Don't Start Now", it uses this.
Not everything included in passed GAs can be fully argued as reliable, since reviewers don't always pick up on things and the page is not verified --
Kyle Peake (
talk)
05:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Kyle Peake, I think this is the only way to obtain it. On the
RIM website, it only goes up to the chart dated 6 April 2020. Plus I have looked many other articles and all use this way. Should I just remove it?
LOVI3315:33, 5 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Remove
SloTop50 from the title of ref 132 and cite it as the publisher instead with the wikilink
Cite
Gaon Chart as publisher instead for ref 133 with the target
Remove wikilink on Rolling Stone for ref 142
Remove BBC from the title of ref 151 and cite it as publisher instead but keep the wikilink
Cite All Access as publisher instead for ref 152
Remove BBC from the title of ref 153 and cite it as publisher instead
Cite Radio Date as publisher instead for ref 155
Done
Final comments and verdict
Man that was long, but felt great to review; I noticed throughout that you had not added citations to back up text though. On hold and can't wait to see your responses! --
Kyle Peake (
talk)
21:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Hey
Kyle Peake, thanks again for reviewing this article. I have removed all the original research and addressed all your comments. Is there anything else you would like me to do?
LOVI3303:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)reply
LOVI33 I have now concluded that can be kept, since it is only not verified due to not having a high name recognition and if multiple other GAs use it, that indicates the source is likely to be fine. --
Kyle Peake (
talk)
16:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Overall: GA since 5 July 2020, Earwig ok, neutral, interesting and cited. QPQ not required as nominator has less than 5 credits. I took the liberty of adding the link to INXS on the hook. However, the article did not mentioned that Lipa "accidentally" sampled INXS, just noticed the similarities therefore credited the band, I suggest rephrasing that. Also, on ALT2, the article cited AskAnythingChat and Shots rather than Promonews, I suggest changing that.
Corachow (
talk)
21:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC)reply
This factually incorrect statement keeps getting re-added to the article. There is no
sample of the INXS song "
Need You Tonight" in "Break My Heart." It has a similar musical passage around the words "I would've stayed at home/'Cause I was doin' better alone" and repeated three times - and the writers of the INXS song were given songwriting credit as a result, to avoid any lawsuits. This is not unprecedented - the Rolling Stones credited k.d. lang and Ben Mink when they discovered a similarity in the chorus of "
Anybody Seen My Baby?."
It's arguably
interpolation, inasmuch as the instrumentation in this passage is reminiscent of that of the INXS song's guitar line (edit: But not really - there's no attempt to sound like the distinctive guitar sound in "Need You Tonight"; it is simply that two bars of the chorus are musically identical). But there is no sample - a reuse of a portion of the actual recording. -
ProhibitOnions(T)08:31, 15 July 2020 (UTC)reply
ProhibitOnions, I am unsure why this is here. This is not a discussion, it is a fact. Not only do multiple reliable sources confirm it, but the Future Nostalgialiner notes do as well. Plus what you mentioned above is mentioned in the background. Even though it was accidental, it is still an interpolation and INXS were given a publishing credit and writing credits.
LOVI3321:58, 16 July 2020 (UTC)reply
It is not a sample. Dua Lipa did not record the song aiming to sound like INXS, so it's a coincidental soundalike, nothing more. We have sources that inaccurately call it a "sample" - but we have the artist herself, interviewed in reliable media saying it was not that at all. As I said above, it maybe counts as interpolation, but generally that means trying to recreate the sound of a separate recording without sampling it, and in this case, as Dua Lipa herself says, there was no intent to imitate INXS, and that the similarity was brought to her attention AFTER the song was finished. So, not a sample, and interpolation, only accidentally. Hence my rephrase. -
ProhibitOnions(T)
ProhibitOnions, the fact that it is accidental is irrelevant, an interpolation is an interpolation. Please provide a source on the fact that an interpolation has to be intentional. Interviews by artists are not the most reliable source. One example could be when Lipa
stated that her song "Love Again" samples White Town, when it in fact samples Al Bowlly. The Future Nostalgia liner notes are 100% the most reliable source, and they confirm it as an interpolation. Plus, the fact that it was accidental is already mentioned in the "Background and release" section, the lead doesn't need to include everything about the article. That's why I removed it, not because I didn't like it but because It wasn't notable for the lead. One other thing, please avoid using citations in the lead, a lead is meant to summarize the article.
LOVI3323:41, 16 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I didn't take out the mention of interpolation, it was further down in the article, but largely irrelevant in the intro. More important, if we are discussing the unusual songwriting credits, is to explain how it happened that the writers of a 1987 song, one of them long deceased, came to be credited. As with other cases, this was simply coincidence, as Dua Lipa confirms. Me, I thought that portion of the song was far more reminiscent of "
God Is a Dancer," released only a few months earlier, but I guess INXS had better lawyers. -
ProhibitOnions(T)00:21, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
ProhibitOnions, firstly, the interpolation is extremely relevant in the lead. I don't want to start an edit war but the entire reason INXS is credited isn't really notable. According to
WP:LEAD, the lead section should show why the article is notable and summarize it's most important points. How I usually do it is 1st paragraph: Writers/Release/Samples/Composition, 2nd: Critical reception/Commercial performance 3rd: Promotion. For now, I am going to remove the citations from the lead per WP:LEAD as it is already sourced in the article, but honestly, what you've added isn't notable for the lead.
LOVI3301:19, 17 July 2020 (UTC)reply
I check pages listed in
Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for
orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of
Break My Heart (Dua Lipa song)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not.
AnomieBOT⚡18:54, 26 October 2022 (UTC)reply