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She was apparently chartered by the Royal Navy for service as a transport and tender to H.M.S. Phoenix serving under the supervision of a government agent, so she surely wasn't commissioned. She doesn't appear in Colledge and Warlow. --
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12:32, 3 September 2011 (UTC)reply
As you correctly state, the Breadalbane was not a naval vessel, but a mercantile ship chartered for use as a transport. The term "HMS" is particular to vessels owned by and/or commissioned into the British Navy, so this prefix was never applicable to the Breadalbane. The retitling you suggest should certainly be done.The Breadalbane was crushed in the ice as she lay anchored off Beechey Island, and sank in fifteen minutes. Her crew were all taken aboard HMS Phoenix by her commander, Commander Edward Inglethorpe. Canadian divers found the Breadalbane in 1981, in 340 feet of water.
Rif Winfield (
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12:51, 3 September 2011 (UTC)reply
The article incorrectly refers to HMS Phoenix as a "sister ship", which she assuredly was not - the Phoenix was a steam-driven naval sloop (so the term "HMS" correctly applies to her); but please delete the reference to "sister ship". Note also that the article's final sentence "In 198, further visits to the Breadalbane were conducted ..." is missing a final digit from the year.
Rif Winfield (
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12:42, 3 September 2011 (UTC)reply
I fully support this move, as other users have pointed out she doesn't appear in any of the lists and directories of the commissioned RN ships. Despite this look how several of the sources have jumped on an HMS bandwagon!
Benea (
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22:14, 3 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Sources said "half a mile south of Beechey Island in Lancaster Sound", so I Google Earthed it. Zoomed in on the right place and right-clicked "What's here?", grabbed the coordinates (something like 74.68999,-91.846962), which I added to the article, somehow omitting the "-", which, even with the "-", seems to land somewhere else. So, yes, navigation is probably not my long suit. :)
Anna Frodesiak (
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22:30, 4 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Well, that explains it. 74 decimal 69 is not the same as 74 degrees and 69 minutes (in fact, it's 74 degrees 41 minutes). Same with the longitude. The wreck is actually at 74° 41' N 91° 50'W. I'll make the appropriate changes.
Shem (
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22:35, 4 September 2011 (UTC)reply
Close? Thank goodness I'm an editor and not a submarine navigator. I think I understand. By the way, I first searched the net for the coords and couldn't find them, so that' why I resorted to Google Earth. I think I should have first clicked "Center map here", then "What's here?". And I must have accidentally removed the "-" while adding the figures to the coords thingy. So if you were wondering: "How the heck did she get this so horribly wrong?" Now you know.
Also, I searched for a long time for an image, and the closest I got was some site that charged money for Illustrated London News images. So, kudos to you for grabbing that image. I'm delighted. And thanks again for fixing the coords. :)
Anna Frodesiak (
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22:42, 4 September 2011 (UTC)reply
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