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Ive added a 'pop culture' section, for the Amazing Race' entry. I didn't want ti delete it, but I think its a little insulting to include an American tv show in a history section. TVs not that important, and only fans would care. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.252.78.186 ( talk) 01:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
The German language version of this article is much better formatted, and more extensive. Why don't we use an online translator to translat the german version, and then clean up the translation by hand. It would be a whole lot easier then re-writing the whole thing. I don't want to proced untill sombody else agrees with me, though, I don't want to screw anytihng up. (And I just don't have time to do it now anyway.)
-- Lophoole 02:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Agreed:Translating would be far easier.-- 72.74.112.203 ( talk) 21:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
FYI, currently I like our English version better. The German version, [1] does not seem to have current events and instead shows stamps and coins at the bottom of their article. Hence I conclude the 'easy cleanup' mentioned happily occurred in 2007/2009 and is no longer applicable. — Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 10:12, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
The Gate ist not a triumphal arch, it was part of the former toll wall, and is not free standing. (toll houses)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.73.44.97 ( talk) 19:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
President Kennedy did not held his famous speech "Isch bihn ean ..." at the Brandenburg Gate. It was at the Town Holl of Schöneberg (at this time the seat of the Mayor of (West)Berlin.) However, he visited & looked at the Brandenburg Gate from a platform. See: http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/60/Berlin_Plaque_Kennedy.jpg/180px-Berlin_Plaque_Kennedy.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner&h=240&w=180&sz=8&hl=de&start=9&tbnid=X6_BS544V4VUWM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=83&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkennedy%2Bberlin%2Bspeech%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dde%26lr%3Dlang_de%26sa%3DX
I'm a bit confused. The Gate was originally part of the way into Berlin? Yet it was also right next to the Berlin Wall, which separated one half of Berlin from the other? How can that be? 207.245.124.66 15:50, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
When you have the 1945-1990 "East" of Berlin in your back you look away from the old town centre consisting of the ( now to be rebuilt) palace of the Hohernzollern rulers, the university, the main theatres, the 1906 protestant cathedral, the catholic cathedral, and many, many historic places and buildings more. When you have gone through the gate you will pass a huge park called the "Tiergarten" which actually was a wooded hunting park in the 17th century. Walking further west you will come to Charlottenburg, built as a palace for Queen Charlotte as her private country home. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.246.156.95 ( talk) 05:57, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
I have removed this image from the article because I feel it is duplicated by the final image listed on the page, which is a much better shot. If you disagree, feel free to reinsert it. Feenix( talk • email) 01:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
In this comparation I see as the best picture 3, that shows whole gate in full daily light. -- Li-sung 13:49, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I have swapped the image I previously removed with the number 2 above. Feenix( talk • email) 18:04, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
It says in the article:
The second sentence is obviously wrong for the following reasons, and I'm deleting it.
The reason I post this here at all is because it seems just possible to me that a sign might have been erected after the Wall went up as a political statement rather than a practical notice, and if so, that it might have been worded differently. So maybe the sentence is a distortion of that, and should be corrected rather than deleted. However, I would have thought that if such a sign existed, I would have seen pictures of it. So I'm guessing that the contributor was simply confused, and was misremembering the Checkpoint Charlie sign. (I never went to Berlin myself until after the Wall came down.)
As to the location of the zones and Wall crossing points, they are shown here; and the Potsdamer Platz article confirms that it is the place where the American zone met the other two. 207.176.159.90 01:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
The article says that the quadriga currently contains the Goddess of Peace. It also mentions that in 1814, the quadriga depicted the Goddess of Victory. Was there a transition from one to the other that is not mentioned, or is the decription inconsistent? I have added a cleanup-confusing template. - postglock 03:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Yes there was a transition. If i recall correctly they made it into a victory goddess after they had gotten it back from Paris(1814) and also added some preussian symbols
Is the greek victory goddess named " Nike "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_%28mythology%29, it was related in the article that the statue was of greek goddess?
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Removed piece about "dramatic incident" between two competitors. This doesn't really add anything to the article and just make sit seem amateurish. —Preceding
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This sentence was removed: "The gate is 26.00 metres (65 ft) high, 65.50 metres (213 ft) wide, and 1 meter (56 ft) thick." because the dimensions cannot be converted properly between metric and English units, and because I can't find any other references online to the actual dimensions.
Other online resources say the gate was built by Carl G. Langhans in 1788-91.
I'm confused. In the English wiki it states that the building was erected as a monument for peace. In the German wiki it states: "das dem Andenken an den Krieg des unmittelbar zuvor verstorbenen Friedrich II. diente, von dessen Verdiensten auch etwas Glanz auf den Neffen und Nachfolger fallen sollte." In short it was a remembrance to the successful wars of Frederick II (In the Dutch it states it was a remembrance to an invasion of the Dutch Republic in the 1780's)
Does anybody know the right reason? (I tend to go for the German version.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by H.Flashman(VC) ( talk • contribs) 19:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think current politics should be interjected into every stinking place, person or thing a presidential hopeful mentions or visits. A passing reference that is to be removed a few months down the road is the only thing that could happen in these scenarios. Reagan's speech is well known and brought up frequently as the "tear down this wall" eventually became a well known phrase. He did return after reunification to make another speech and this isn't mentioned but Clinton's speech is. Obama, on the other hand, didn't even speak at this wall. It was a modern story that deserves no place here unless one would like to bring up every single reference to the gate. Better start adding some lines in this case.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.229.171.44 ( talk) 17:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm just TALKING here -- Current politics are very interesting coming into next week and the 20-year anniversary of the Berlin Wall coming down. Recently, President Barack H. Obama was disinvited from speaking with speakers at Brandenburg Gate because he was not a world leader with experience. Next, President Obama turns down the invitation from Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany, to come over next week because he is too busy. And this week, Chancellor Merkel is in DC and talked to Obama about Iran, Global Warming and other common interests. (She also spoke to a historic joint-session of Congress.) It will be interesting to see if President Obama changes his mind and represents America at the Brandenburg Gate next week. We'll see. Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 15:21, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
When POLITICS plays a major part in an event at the Brandenburg Gate, what is Wikipedia to do? How does an article maintain neutral point of view? Does it report both the current administration view and then also the opposite view, or does it just report that an event happened? There is a paragraph just below here suggesting EVENTS at the Brandenburg Gate could go into the ARTICLE. Here is a start: 'White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday that a "very senior delegation" of U.S. officials would attend led by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.' That is edited from http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/08/obama-draws-criticism-sitting-berlin-wall-anniversary/ Hope this helps. Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 03:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Political History at the Gate is the last section of the Brandenburg Gate article and contains entires for 1963, 1986, 1989, and 1994. As noted in Wikipedia elsewhere, the beginning of the end of the Cold War was the tearing down of the Berlin Wall and the Brandenburg Gate is the focal point of the Berlin Wall. It is notable that Brandenburg Gate is the FORUM for the celebration tomorrow. Perhaps another entry (2009) is in order for the 20-year celebration. Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 03:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm adding a sentence at the 25-yr anniversary of Reagan's "Tear down this wall" speech. Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 03:55, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
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I think it might be interesting to write another part about the events that take place at the Brandenburg Gate nowadays. Ever since the wall came down, Berlin tried to reunite the city by building many buildings like government and stuff like that directly on the former border. Part of that is also, that there are many big events that take place at the "Straße des 17. Juni" up to the gate.Those events are very big and famous. There would be stuff like the former "love parade"(giant techno music parade lasting several days and having visitors from all around the globe), "Sylvester"(new year's eve, the biggesNYE celebration on earth) or the "Fanmeile"(public viewing during the World- and Eurocup and even during the DFB Pokal Finale). Those events usually hold up to one million!! people and made the brandenburg gate also famous for its parties/events. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.185.123.204 ( talk) 01:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
the branderburg gate is a port in germain of europe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.22.182.211 ( talk) 18:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
There is a footnote-reference http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1226305/Berlin-Wall-Twenty-years-Germany-prepares-remember-day-wall-came-down.html I would like to add, and so will study how to do that at-my-earliest-convinence. Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 06:16, 15 November 2009 (UTC) (Continuing) So today, I tried to look at how the reference in this section was done: link-ref (2) was done (automated) and need to study it further. And btw the link-ref (2) no longer works, FYI. Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 01:29, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
FYI, currently there is no 'Events' section and this information is in the third of only three sections: 1 Design and history; 2 Berlin Wall and its fall; 3 Political history at the gate. — Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 09:57, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
One thing that I think could really improve this article is an animated map showing the gate's original function as a gateway to the city (i.e., which side was "outside" and which side was "inside"? & was there an ancient Berlin Wall, and if so, what were its metes?), the gate as a point of division between Cold War East and West Berlin, and the gate as it stands now in reunified Berlin. Robert K S ( talk) 20:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
The political history section does not talk about how (around 1970?) the East turned the crowning sculpture so that the horses' rears faced West, and how this change has been reversed.
Anyone have a good reference for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.136.83.19 ( talk) 07:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
All nonsense! The horses have always faced into the city. Any reversal theories belong in the realm of urban legends or tall stories to tell visiting tourists (e.g. if Berlin's Hertha BSC soccer team has an away game, the horses face out). Alandeus ( talk) 10:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
You can also compare old and new photographs in this article. The Quadriga always faced east. -- megA ( talk) 15:05, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
a picture of the ruined gate after the battle for berlin would be interesting! 69.171.162.117 ( talk) 10:28, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
During the night of 2/3 August 1958, the East Berlin magistrate had the Iron Cross and the (Prussian) eagle removed from the Quadriga wreath (as "symbols of Prussian-German militarism"), as you, for example, can see on gallery photographs taken between 1961 and 1989. It stayed like this during the GDR era until 1990, when they were reinstalled. Should this be mentioned? -- megA ( talk) 15:14, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm correcting the names of the gates of Berlin to the correct german for "Gate", which is "Tor", not "Thor". 201.70.15.130 ( talk) 13:59, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
An historic one. Where are the ideas, drafts? Wikipietime ( talk) 12:41, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
The speech was mocked by the campaign of Sen. John McCain, the Republican presidential nominee, which aired an ad called “Celebrity” and compared Mr. Obama to Paris Hilton." [1] Wikipietime ( talk) 12:46, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
The article doesn't state the dimensions. I visited the article to check the height of the monument. This is basic information, that one would expect to find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.126.119.98 ( talk) 23:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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Amazing 1930's era photo of the gate available here: https://www.life.com/history/adolf-hitler-at-50-color-photos-from-a-despots-birthday-april-1939/ see the last photo on this page. This might be a good photo to add to the wiki article... photographer: Hugo Jaeger, Color photos of Hitler's 50th birthday as published by LIFE magazine.. 174.158.41.200 ( talk) 22:00, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
I just noticed that in both 1945 photos (
12 July,
June) a large part of the Gate's top is covered by a red drape or board.
Does anyone know (or could help me find out) if this was to cover some Nazi inscription or just a communist symbol? --
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