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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 21:34, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
– It's difficult to see a primary topic between the Amerindian ethic group, the African ethnic group, and the language. I'm not sure of the best disambiguator though: Bororo (Amerindian people), Bororo people (South America), or something else? – Uanfala (talk) 17:14, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as unnecessary
WP:OVERPRECISION.
Wodaabe is better at its current title, and
pageviews for the dab page indicate no one is getting lost looking for that article.
Bororo language is a secondary topic to
Bororo. -
Station1 (
talk)
09:11, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- The pageviews, unfortunately, don't give us any direct indication of what readers are looking for, but if they show anything, it's that the article about the African ethnic group, which is often known as Bororo, is several times more popular than the article currently occupying the primary title. –
Uanfala (talk)
11:20, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
-
Wodaabe is several times more popular than
Bororo, but there is no proposal to change
Wodaabe's title to
Bororo. Pageviews of the dab page show that no more than 2% of readers landing on
Bororo click on the hatnote looking for something else, and that fewer than 0.5% of readers of
Wodaabe get to that article through the dab page.
Station1 (
talk)
19:54, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- In a proposal to rename
Wodaabe the relevant question would be "Is the African group more commonly referred to as Wodaabe or as Bororo?". But the question we have here is: "Is Bororo commonly used to refer to the African group?". These two look similar, but mean very different things. My original point was that a non-negligible proportion of readers looking for the African group would be searching using "Bororo". Yes, 2% of readers on
Bororo click through to the dab page, but that doesn't really tell us anything about reader searches as the vast majority of that traffic will be coming from links. –
Uanfala (talk)
02:59, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- I agree that you are asking the right questions. I disagree with the answer. I see no evidence that any significant number of readers are searching for "Bororo" expecting Wodaabe, certainly not enough to displace the South American Bororo from primary status for that title. Station1 ( talk) 05:19, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- In a proposal to rename
Wodaabe the relevant question would be "Is the African group more commonly referred to as Wodaabe or as Bororo?". But the question we have here is: "Is Bororo commonly used to refer to the African group?". These two look similar, but mean very different things. My original point was that a non-negligible proportion of readers looking for the African group would be searching using "Bororo". Yes, 2% of readers on
Bororo click through to the dab page, but that doesn't really tell us anything about reader searches as the vast majority of that traffic will be coming from links. –
Uanfala (talk)
02:59, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
-
Wodaabe is several times more popular than
Bororo, but there is no proposal to change
Wodaabe's title to
Bororo. Pageviews of the dab page show that no more than 2% of readers landing on
Bororo click on the hatnote looking for something else, and that fewer than 0.5% of readers of
Wodaabe get to that article through the dab page.
Station1 (
talk)
19:54, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- The pageviews, unfortunately, don't give us any direct indication of what readers are looking for, but if they show anything, it's that the article about the African ethnic group, which is often known as Bororo, is several times more popular than the article currently occupying the primary title. –
Uanfala (talk)
11:20, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- oppose per
WP:ETHNICGROUP, not to mention how dated 'Amerindian'
—blindlynx (
talk)
18:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, we don't have to use "Amerindian". I originally picked Bororo (Amerindian people) because a redirect already existed at this title, so I assumed it was plausible. There are other options, like Bororo people (South America) or Bororos (South America). – Uanfala (talk) 02:59, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- i'd be okay with either of those —blindlynx ( talk) 03:46, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per the comments of knowledgeable editor Aymatth2 here. They explained that in the Wodaabe context, "Bororo" or more usually "M'bororo" is a less common term (and something of a slight) that references the fact that they are the Fulani people who her bororo cattle. They pointed out that on Google Books, the South American people dominate searches for "Bororo" and the fact that there were no incoming links to "Bororo" intending Wodaabe, despite the fact that the Wodaabe are the far more numerous group. This makes sense to me, but if the article is moved, I'd favor Bororo (South America) as the title.-- Cúchullain t/ c 17:30, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
This article seems to be a poor translation from another language. There are so many errors that it is at times unintelligible. For example, "The aldeia (village) is divided into two exogamical half-Exerae and Tugarége-each divided into four clans, consisting of several families. A curious aspect for a people that may sometimes seem primitive is that woman has a very particular role in the concept of Bororo society, and indeed the rule of the offspring predicts that this is matriarchal, and that the infant then receives a name that Join the mother clan," and "The Bororo are a small people in the Amazon rainforest living in the southwest of the Brazilian region of Mato Grosso," and "It's no coincidence that Bororo's homes are traditionally arranged in a circle that will be a kind of spatiotis or patio for them, which will act as the main space of Bororo's life. This square, if so called, is so important that it has given the same name to this group of people as it is within that typical courtyard that the Bororo people concentrates most of the social and spirit-Religious," and "One last interesting thing to consider is that, in mourning, the house becomes a space between the domestic domain and the public-legal domain (as Sylvia Caiuby Novaes observes) since the end of funerals must be destroyed after it has been completely empty throughout the mourning period." Citizen127 ( talk) 04:31, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
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