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This page, if done well, would seem to duplicate a lot of the material from Hugo Chávez. Utlimately, I think the material would be better placed here, where, for example, it would last if the programs last but Chávez doesn't, or just because Chávez probably isn't personally involved in the development of each mission. DanKeshet 15:49, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
I removed the "div" tags. If you want text to be 100% and justified, please either add it to your personal stylesheet, or lobby to have it included in the standard stylesheet. If we add "div" tags to every article, we'll have a hard time making system-wide changes. Peace! DanKeshet 15:49, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
I strongly believe the facts and opinions expressed in this article and the other articles regarding the "Bolivarian missions" are biased in favor of Chavez, there is no mention of the criticism about the actual efectiveness of these policies and there is no mention of the massive blackmailing involved in them, i.e. if you signed the petition for Chavez's recall referendum there is no way you will get any benefit from these. I would like if someone takes the time and add more objective information (perhaps I will do it myself later) Nelliug 9:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC-5)
The Bolivarian Missions template does not agree with the article.
Sandy 13:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
As the subheading of the section suggests, this isn't really criticism of the Bolivarian Missions, but of Chavez's policies more generally. Move elsewhere, if it isn't duplicated anyway. 86.53.55.135 09:36, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
From a news report, I was left with the impression that the Misiones are efforts to bypass the inherited public sector (probably he thinks it corrupt) with task forces derived from the military. Could you say that Chavez is building a parallel public sector? -- 84.20.17.84 12:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
This article should have less quotes of Chavez' rhetoric and more specific program details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.52.215.67 ( talk) 18:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Why does each mission gets its own page? they aren't even in deep analisys of them. I propose that they be merged into a single page, or into this one. 190.72.36.225 ( talk) 20:55, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
[According to one Venezuelan columnist], most of the missions were created to bypass the formal system of public health care, nutrition programs and education system. This created more problems for the pre-existing public system: most of the hospitals are without proper equipment and new hospitals have not been created since 2003. [1]
The above is misleading and partially inaccurate (no new hospitals? What about the Latin American Children’s Cardiology Hospital?), and it is based on an opinion piece. It is not a suitable source. There are criticisms to be made, but better sources are needed. Rd232 talk 22:11, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Much of the information in this article and other Bolivarian Mission articles needs to be updated, cleaned up, or just have citations placed in general.-- ZiaLater ( talk) 19:31, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
The following sections were placed by a user who sometimes forgets to place sources and needs to be worked on: -- ZiaLater ( talk) 00:50, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
2011 Grand Missions
Launched by the national government simultaneously with the 2011 national celebrations in honor of the bicentennial of the Venezuelan Declaration of Independence, these Grand Missions are aimed to help build a more stronger nation for the people by solving the problems they face.
Post-Chavez Legacy Missions and social programs
More missions were created under the current government of President Nicolas Maduro, and these, alongside the missions above, have been combined to form one National Missions System (Sistema Nacional de Misiones) in 2014, in order to provide not just funding and advice but also to synchronize activities and to strengthen their objectives.
Correlation does not imply causation with the Bolivarian missions, especially when comparing poverty, GINI index, water quality, etc. that have similar trends with other Latin American countries. Venezuela was flourishing from the 1950s to the early 1980s with oil profits that benefitted its people more than many Latin American countries giving them a lead in many social areas compared to the rest of Latin America. In order to distinguish the Bolivarian missions from normal trends in Latin America, we need to find sources and facts from this that are more concrete than those presented by CEPR, Venezuelanalysis and Z Communications.
Here is some stuff I moved here, though some is covered by existing sources:
Reply: Honestly, Zia, your latest edits appear extremely partisan. Removing much positive information from the lead based on a thin "correlation doesn't equal causation" argument while upping the criticism? C'mon... I restored some statistics. They appear to be reliably sourced and and obvious cases of causation equaling causation. At the very least, the extensively-used BBC source repeatedly draws the link between the social advances/improvements and the missions—heck, the article even lists many accomplishments under a section titled "Missions." I added some quotes to the lead to highlight this, as well as pointed out the most prominent missions because it's relevant in a list of them. Mbinebri talk ← 15:37, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Ok, I have been quite busy so I can shortly respond to you Mbinebri. My edits are not partisan, just an update on the missions. Yes, I know that there has been positive things from the Bolivarian missions but they seemed exaggerated according to the previously used biased sources and due the outdated info. That is why I asked for more sources because ordinarily one article from BBC wouldn't cut it for an article. So yes, things got a little better in Venezuela (just like the majority of Latin America) with poverty and education in Venezuela considering the fact that Chavez used the sharp increase of oil prices in the 2000s to fund his populist policies. Chavez was lucky to have this increase in prices and was smart to push for higher prices. That is why I included the information about how it wasn't since the 1980s that oil funds were at an such a high, not by trying to say things were fine in the 1980s since they definitely weren't. Since the beginning of such policies though, you can see Venezuela's economy following the prices of oil. That is where things weren't so smart. Now that oil funds aren't appearing, price controls limit the needed dollar and nationalizations caused declines in production, you can see that these social policies have been in trouble, especially when you see President Maduro out begging and then finally putting the crisis in God's hands. Whatever the case, I only wish the best for Venezuela and that people can figure out their differences so they can fix the rising amount of problems. Sorry if this seemed soapboxish, but I saw that you had to read into it and wanted to help Mbinebri.
Also, I find it interesting how there wasn't/isn't a Bolivarian mission against crime since that is definitely a social issue, especially when it is a primary concern of Venezuelans and has even urged many to leave the country.-- ZiaLater ( talk) 04:45, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
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