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Falc added this:
"Interestingly enough, it's origins don't refer to the prey's blood, but rather to that those who were allowed to practice it were of royal blood. Animal Rights activists have enjoyed turning the phrase to elicit emotional imagery, and so we have the colloquial use today."
Much as I'd like to believe this, I can't find any evidence. The American Heritage Dictionary and Merriam-Webster define it as "a sport involving bloodshed" [1], which doesn't give any indication that 'blood sport' was derived in any other way than the obvious. So I've removed the paragraph for the moment. -- Malthusian (talk) 22:49, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Every dictionary anyone has cited, and the explanation given of the source of the term, and modern usage, all say that the term "blood sport" extends beyond sports in which animals fight to any sport in which animal blood is shed. I shall re-jig the introduction to reflect that; if you think it should stay as it is, please provide a cite — ciphergoth 11:31, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
The definition states: "Bloodsport or blood sport is any sport or entertainment that involves violence against animals."
Recreational fishing generally involves tricking a fish to swallow a barbed hook which then pierces the animal's body. The animal is then removed from its environment and life support systems, which it struggles against, and allowed to asphixiate; or clubbed to death with a gaff. What part of this doesn't fit the definition of blood sport? Bob98133 ( talk) 13:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Well, maybe the definition is too broad. I'd say blood sports involve some sort of fight between animals, or between animals and humans, use of unnecessary violence, meaning more than is needed to just kill the animal. This is obviously true for all sorts of animal fighting, baiting, etc., which make up most of the list, and fox hunting. It says in the article that the use of the word for normal hunting is disputed. Fishing's just fishing though. Recreational fishing is not much different from commercial fishing. If you don't fish with grenades of electricity or spears, the fish is going to asphyxiate. It should be noted that fish are generally thought of as not being able to feel pain, so fishing isn't comparable to drowning deers or something. Also, I don't think anyone thinks of recreational fishing as a blood sport, probably not even animal rights groups. I'm pretty sure there's a wikipedia rule somewhere that says you can't write something in an article if no one else agrees with you. – Kloth ( talk) 02:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
These categories have been removed several times by an IP editor. Please state your reason for removal in your edit summary. In any event, fishing, hunting and recreational fishing all fit the definition of blood sports. From the lede:
Bloodsport or blood sport is any sport or entertainment that involves violence against animals. Bloodsport includes coursing or beagling, combat sports such as cockfighting, or other activities. These usually involve blood being drawn, and often result in the death of one or more animals.
Hunting and fishing are considered sports by those participating in them. Removing an animal from its natural environment with a hook through its mouth and allowing it to suffocate seems violent to me. I don't care if people do it or not, but it's violent. Both of these sports "involve blood being drawn" and result in the "death of one or more animals".
All that said, why do you keep removing these from the category? Bob98133 ( talk) 00:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the so-called sources for the statement that fishing is regarded as blood-sport by both people from inside and outside the sport, because they are insubtantial and unverified. They are no more than a collection of anonymous blog comments, obscure on-line articles from authors with no verified connection to fishing at all, or simply make no mention to fishing as blood sport whatsoever. As none come from a verified fishing supporter (such as a known online fishing magazine or a blog with a proven track of fishing-related activity), they cannot be considered sources and therefore the statement is unsupported - proper citation is still required.
I undid the revision by All Worlds. I think it was well meaning but I don't see their statements as supported by the citations. Blood sport is usually defined as violence against animals. I have yet to see it technically defined as specifically encompassing sports where humans are the sole participant i.e. boxing or cage fighting. Usually when boxing or cage fighting are referred to as blood sports they are alluding to these sports being like animals fighting.
http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/blood%20sport http://www.answers.com/topic/blood-sport
Even the citation provided by All Worlds specifically lists hunting and cockfighting as examples of blood sports. The telegraph article they use to show that British Medical Association opposes blood sports has no mention of blood sports. It is an article against MMA Cage Fighting. Which I contend is not a blood sport in the common usage.
I know that I am being bold in reverting. This is why I am explaining my position here, rather then just reverting and walking away. If anyone disagrees, please feel free to revert and we can discuss it here. :) DoctorLazarusLong ( talk) 22:59, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining your position on removing the definition as used by Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary and related information but I find your actions at fault, limiting in knowledge and would request a more balanced understanding on all branches of knowledge of what is a blood sport within the pages of Wiki. As it is stated.....
Wikipedia's purpose is to act as an encyclopedia, a comprehensive written compendium that contains information on all branches of knowledge.
.......and I further understand that......
A definition (≝) is a passage that explains the meaning of a term (a word, phrase or other set of symbols), or a type of thing. The term to be defined is the definiendum. A term may have many different senses or meanings. For each such specific sense, a definiens is a cluster of words that defines that term.
.......The definition as used by Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary - edited by Merriam-Webster, 2003 to define blood sport as "a sport or contest (as hunting or cockfighting) involving bloodshed" is not limiting the definition to animals. Using "as hunting or cockfighting" as examples does not limit that which is a blood sport but rather examples by animal blood sports. Any sport or contest that causes bloodshed according to this definition is a blood sport. This definition is not constricted within a few examples of one area of animal blood sports but universally understood as it is written and exampled by ABC News, Yahoo News, The Guardian, Vassar College and the University of Delaware just to mention a few.......
ABC News --- Cage fighting becoming the new 'blood sport' - “the new gladiator contest, as a blood sport," - Cage fighting becoming the new 'blood sport' By Hagar Cohen for Background Briefing - April 30, 2012 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-28/the-rise-and-risks-of-mixed-martial-arts/3977084
YAHOO News! ---- Bud Light Asked to End Blood Sport Sponsorship of Cage-Fighting by Alcohol Justice - http://news.yahoo.com/bud-light-asked-end-blood-sport-sponsorship-cage-221805275.html
The Guardian ---- Blood sport - While boxing struggles for its very survival, viewers are turning to an even more brutal form of entertainment. - http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/jun/28/mixed-martial-arts-ultimate-fighting
Vassar College ---- Origins: A Brief History of the Games - It seems that the terms "blood sport" and "electioneering" would be fitting for the munera by historical purpose. For the funeral games, the blood sport aspect was represented by the gladiators who spilled blood for the sake of others http://faculty.vassar.edu/jolott/old_courses/republic1998/games/origins.html
University of Delaware - Lecture provides a window into blood sports of the Roman Empire - http://www.udel.edu/udaily/2012/nov/coleman-gladiators-111411.html
...... Thank you for your concerns and the manner in which you did this, but I would request a return of the revision.
All Worlds ( talk) 01:26, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
I realise this has been discussed previously, but I can see no good reason for excluding "Recreational fishing" from the list. I am therefore following the WP:BB and I offer below multiple sources where recreational fishing has been classified as a blood sport. [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] DrChrissy ( talk) 18:54, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
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Well, I haven't the time, energy or interest to really do anything with the article, so I'm not going to really spend further effort pestering those who do, so with this post I've said my bit. I will simply suggest that you find solid arguments for and against it (try Field and Stream or Fly Fisherman magazine for a pro-sport-fishing view). You know, NPOV and a worldwide view. Remember that freewebs and various blogs are not reliable sources.. ;-) . I have heard that the animal rights crowd in the UK will yell at and openly harass poor old men who just want to sit somewhere and quietly fish off a dock or something, if true, that seems to be bizarre behavior, unkind and quite over the top. I also understand that the fox hunting ban resulted in the deaths of thousands of foxhounds, as they had become useless. That also seems a mixed result. I think these issues in the UK reflect a resentment of the upper classes (who are the only people who can really afford to hunt or fish) by the lower classes; whereas in America, at least out west, there are no class distinctions involving who can hunt or fish, licenses are cheap and public land is abundant. I do distinguish fishing from hunting; while I support responsible hunting, I understand the "blood sport" aspect and personally have issues with things like "canned" hunts or game-wasting in a badly-done trophy hunt. I live where there are people who feed their family on game they responsibly shoot themselves. But we also have problems with slob hunters and snob hunters, neither have my approval. (Where I live, these views make me a woolly-headed, bunny-loving, tree-hugging environmentalist radical liberal lefty, by the way...grin) Montanabw (talk) 06:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Just gonna weigh in here. It seems ludicrous to call recreational fishing a "blood sport". So perhaps the problem is with the definition, which is a bit broad. It seems to me that blood sports are spectacles where the main point is combat between two animals (or humans, I suppose). Recreational fishing isn't combat; it's more comparable to hunting. And unless we're also going to include deer hunting and the like in the list (which would be required for consistency if we were to put in recreational fishing), it makes no sense to include recreational fishing. Reading the cited sources, above, I'm pretty certain this is a fringe definition. One may of course be opposed to recreational fishing on moral grounds - that is not the issue. The issue is whether recreational fishing seems to be the sort of thing which we think of when we use the term "blood sport". I would be willing to bet that for most people, it does not. Therefore, I have removed it from the list, and, further, I suggest we further specify the definition. 174.91.132.174 ( talk) 21:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)