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this same picture is in the "auburn hair" article and says she was a natural auburn. i think it is confusing ... and this one looks wrong as i think she really did have auburn hair in the picture. 75.37.162.113 ( talk) 01:57, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Surely it is nonsense to say that Billy Idol is 'best' known for his blond hair? I suspect he is best known for his singing, although he may certainly also be known for having blond hair. -- 86.15.17.142 ( talk) 20:48, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
this article clearly implies they have been all victorian era monogamists wtf? 79.216.151.252 ( talk) 14:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
No mention of variation by race? Occurrence in African or Asian groups? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.242.81.80 ( talk) 00:57, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
As the material I removed has been re-added twice now, albeit with no explanation, I just wanted to ask here and see if anyone has any substantive disagreement with me about whether it belongs here. I removed the infobox and categories about the specific color "blond" ( visible here) because the article seems to be discussing not that specific color, but instead the general phenomenon of light-colored hair. The color "blond" is a single specific shade, as seen in the infobox; it doesn't make sense to me to have the infobox saying "Blond means this specific color, 247-236-183 on the RGB scale" in an article that says "Blond means a very wide range of shades of hair color." An article about the specific color "blond" would tend to look more like Flax (color), describing a single, specific hue. There are many other color articles, such as Lime (color), that do discuss a range of hues, but it's still specific colors that are being discussed ("lime" is this, "lime green" is this, "electric lime" is this, etc., as opposed to "lime means lots of different colors"). Is there any disagreement here, or anything about my opinion I can clarify? Theoldsparkle ( talk) 15:12, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
It seems odd that in an article about blond hair, three of the six pictures show people where their blond hair is atypical in their region/ethnic group, and only two where blond hair is the norm. Also, two of the three 'normal' blonds are paintings - and the sole photo is of a child - and as we all know, often children are blond but become darker haired with age. Could we have some more European or European-origin adult blond/blondes please? 86.133.211.42 ( talk) 17:47, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
trevorwidger ( talk · contribs) has repeatedly reinstated what appears to be his blurry self-portrait on to this article. As I think the last thing this article needs is more low-quality images, I've reverted it three times but can no longer remove it. Can we get some consensus on the use of this photo? :bloodofox: ( talk) 22:56, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
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Only 2% of the world-population have blond hairs. However, blondism seems to die out among these people.-- 94.219.198.90 ( talk) 09:20, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Hardy–Weinberg principle is a good article explaining the relationships among dominant and recessive alleles. Practically, recessive and dominant don't have to be counted, but sexual selection may be a main factor that affects the allele frequencies of blondes and red-heads. Because of dying people's hair, it is detrimental to the alleles as more and more people are dying their hair blonde, a male mates with a fake blonde or redhead, and the persistence of children not having those allele increase.
It's all gotta do with what males find attractive. Men of other races discourage themselves to mate with those carrying the blonde allele because they see it as miscegenation which they frown upon, preferring to mix with their own race. Such this causes a selection agiant blondes and redheads. If there was substantial racial mixing, then the allele frequency for blondes and readhaeds would not die out , as these alleles can be expressed as homozygous reccessive on any race. There is no other genetic factor that stops this at all times. -- 75.159.2.59 ( talk) 07:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Should there not be a list of famous historical people that were blond? Either here in this article or as a separate article? For example Odysseus, Alexander the Great, Emperor Nero, Christopher Columbus, Isaac Newton etc. Possibly also even including Leonardo da Vinci [5]-- Sloppy diplomat ( talk) 23:15, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
I would have strong expectations that such a list, or a category, would be deleted. See WP:CATEGORY#Which categories should be created and Wikipedia:Overcategorization, and the deleted Category:Famous Redheads and List of redheads. Theoldsparkle ( talk) 16:54, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
It would be like list of historical figures with Autism, because we can't prove if they really were blonde or just brunette. I heard Nazis were affraid of Da Vinci for having a dark complexion that would contradict their theory.. -- 75.159.2.59 ( talk) 07:14, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Almost all the people in the last section of the article used to present blonde people are not even truly blond, they are people with brown hair who dye. The simple truth is in the fact that their eye brows are from dark brown or black to light brown. The other proof is where you see the finnish girl who has blonde hair, blond eye brows, and blonde eye lashes. My best friend from school for 14 years was an actual blond (both his parents are 100% blond too) and his hairs from his head, eye brows, eye lash, and even arm hair is all blonde. Only people with dyed hair have different color eye lash or eye brow, or arm hair than head hair. I think this article seems to exaggerate the number of blond people and it claims that something like there is 0% of black hair people in scandinavia. That is a joke, there are more black hair white people in scandinavia than blondes. Normal hair colors here are brown, light brown hair. About 1/5th of whites here have natural blond hair into adult hood. the rest brown or black hair. I think lithiuania has most blondes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.239.154.174 ( talk) 01:20, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Moreover, it is simply NOT TRUE that darker eyebrows and/or eye lashes indicate a non-blonde person. Not true. Personally, I was blond in my adolescent and young adult years (now I am grey, not completely, but to a high degree), but I have always (except as a very young child) had dark eye lashes and eye brows; then again, I have blue eyes. - Not every natural blond person has the same colour when it comes to his/her lashes and eyebrows - many have a darker colour there. And then again, some people are clearly dark haired but have very light lashes and eye brows! Many of them are blue-eyed.- Regarding black hair colour, one has to be careful. Most people called "black haired" are NOT black haired, but at best have a very dark brown hair colour, this is also true for most everybody in Spain, for instance. The predominant colour is dark brown, not black. The only (if at all) people with "black" hair colour are Asians (let's say Japanes, Chinese etc.), maybe most Indians, and also Indios in Latin America; even black people in Africa often have a hair colour which is better described as "very dark brown", but not "black". To assume that there are so many black haired people in Sweden, is idiotic. There is (apart from some foreigners) almost no one (same for Germany, for instance or other European countries) who could be called "black haired". Just watch the difference in hair colour between a Chinese and your "black haired Swede", lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.58.215.2 ( talk) 15:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
There is much scientific research that blonde hair evolved because it was more attractive. We should incorporate such information into this article. Here is a journal article from the Institute of Psychology on this topic:
Attractiveness of blonde women in evolutionary perspective: studies with two Polish samples.
EasternAryan ( talk) 00:50, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Hitchhiking women's hair color.
EasternAryan ( talk) 00:52, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
And why is that Afghan woman pictured? her hair looks like none of the descriptions for blondes, also she is clearly a brunette. -- Maladroitmortal ( talk) 03:56, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Hardy-Weinberg principle, learn it. -- 75.159.2.59 ( talk) 07:43, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
This is just a wild hypotheses, which became popular via the gossip media. Most of the science world disagrees with this single study completely.
According to this logic, blonds would be all over the planet and not just in the dark north. It's obviously a selection due to the sunlight deficiency.
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70.65.161.174 ( talk) 19:14, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Thus, it should be made clear, that this view is not the consensus of the majority and even opposed strongly. Pomelo, 24 June 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.226.1.7 ( talk) 13:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Seeing as blondism occurs in both genders is there any good reason for this article to be almost entirely about women? I would understand that within a subsection that was about contemporary culture, but not for the page in full. There is almost nothing on blond men, and that's a bit of arrogance. Ilmanuplaut ( talk • 11:56, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Same, that's the same case with fair skin, other than racism, it was about women. I heard that for men, Mediterranean features were ideal like tan rough skin to show he's strong under the sun and stuff like that. -- 75.159.2.59 ( talk) 07:10, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
This doesn't seem to be the case anymore. -- Ilmanuplaut ( talk) 18:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
This is why no one will ever take Wikipedia seriously as a research tool. Someone spends an entire section talking about blondes and sexism against women then the entire list of "famous people" with blonde hair is nothing but women. "Blonde" is a color that happens to include hair. Keep the sexism rants to the Sexism page.
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If blondism is indeed indigenous to Peru (as the oh-so-reliable Daily Mail claims) I would be glad to have it mentioned here, but not while the Chachapoyas culture article ( this revision) contradicts it from the primary sources. For someone to read the claim in this article, then go to the other article and see that this one is lying, I think, creates a bad experience.
I have found two books that credit conquistador Pedro Pizarro with the claim of blond-haired Peruvians and quote him. This would seem rather convincing, except that they are not quoting Pedro Pizarro directly. They are both quoting from the book subtitled The Vikings in Mexico and Peru by Nazi race scientist Jacques de Mahieu. No thanks. 24.22.217.162 ( talk) 19:15, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
On the page of "blond", why is brown eyes is not on the list of eye colors in the "blond hair" article?-- Jasonfitz ( talk) 13:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Is it common for blonde-haired-people to be brown eyes?
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Blondism is frequent in eastern europe, particularly in the slavic countries, with parts of Russia having the highest incidence. 69.115.239.91 ( talk) 22:28, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Is there males that are blonde hair brown eyes? Jasonfitz ( talk) 10:15, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Do people actually use the term "fair hair" I've never heard it before. I've heard "fair skin" but never 'fair' in reference to hair. Is it just me? I'm from Oakland/San Francisco and I'm pretty sure we don't use that term... Is it prominent in other parts of the English-speaking world? 115.95.252.115 ( talk) 11:24, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Fair means light. It's being used as a synonym for goodness is the same as using "white" as symbology for goodness. That useage of "fair" is from "white" racism against "non-whites." And, the funny part of this is... This article is incorrect, and full of racist propaganda. Blond hair is from the Slavic tribe called Pols, it is not European, or "white." Look up on what Hitler did to Pols in WWII for the facts. And, look up on the true distribution of natural blond hair from before WWII for the facts about where it comes from (Slavs). We natural blonds are factually on the "not white" side of the racist war "whites" are still waging to this day. But, we're not supposed to know that... As they try to push "white guilt" on us when we're factually not "white," factually never did genocide or slavery, factually did not come to the United States until after slavery was outlawed, and factually never participated in racist plots of the United States government (such as puting the Japanese in camps in WWII). They also enjoy sending victims of other non-"white" races after us instead of themselves, by using us as their poster children despite our lack of involvement in their racist acts, so that they affectively have their victims lashing out at other of their victims instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.22.251.138 ( talk) 23:07, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Is such a list really necessary? It adds little to the piece, and sets precedent. Why not add a list of famous people with, say, ginger hair or black to their respective articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.39.221 ( talk) 20:59, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
I'd always used "fair hair" to mean blond, red, auburn, and light-brown hair, basically anything that's not dark brown or black. Is this something unique to me or my area, or does "fair hair" have a broader meaning than "blond"? — Quintucket ( talk) 21:12, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
So I don't want to go and make changes to this page, but after including a section that states that blonde is for women, and blond for men, shouldn't the pictures including women say "a blonde..." ?? 116.102.19.7 ( talk) 08:39, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Blond is a French word. It is blonde for females, and blond for males... In French. In English, it's blond for either, because English does not practice adding an e at the end to feminize a word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.22.251.138 ( talk) 23:13, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
As the article explains, blond/blonde is one of the few English words that does have gender. Both US and UK dictionaries agree on that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.120.16.134 ( talk) 03:20, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
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03:07, 11 October 2012 (UTC)It seems to me as if the examples listed in the "rivalry" section are just about blondes and brunettes who happen to be competing with each other with their hair color not being important. That content should be revised or removed. Kbog ( talk) 21:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Please state how the new section regarding adult entertainment is not encyclopedic. I believe it is encyclopedic because it is notable, verifiable, of general interest (but maybe not of interest to you), and is presented in a NPOV.
Let me break it down for you and ask that you keep any objections specific, unemotional, and linked to the following parts of the entry so I can understand your concerns:
You left an earlier entry on the talk page that was emotional and largely unspecific, although you did mentioned that the concept of blondes vs. brunettes is limited to the USA and maybe parts of Mexico. I don’t know about the Mexican interests in “blondes vs. brunettes”, but if you read the entire section called “Blonde vs. brunette rivalry”, you will see that your allegation is completely false. Countries that have blonde vs. brunette contests and interests include: Austria, Australia, France, Netherlands, Russia, UK, and the U.S. as well as the (Psychological Associations of) Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden which are represented by the Scandinavian Journal of Psychology (used as a reference source). I’m sure there are more countries, Mexico maybe, but my research time is limited and I’m not proficient in foreign languages.
Recommendation: organize your thoughts and lay out specific reasons why you find the new section inappropriate. Please cite Wikipedia standards (i.e., notable, verifiable, NPOV, etc) in the context of the above discussion. I will gladly modify/delete any entry that is not encyclopedic but please be specific in your objections so I know what to fix.
And for heaven’s sakes, please stop vandalizing the article simply because you don’t like something. Vortex4id ( talk) 04:34, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Vandalizing the article? Where did uyou ever get consensus to inflict this crapola on everyone else? It appears you have engaged in your culture war unilaterally hoping not to encounter any resistance, but you should not be surprised to encounter resistance, because resistance is EXACTLY what I can promise you are going to get.
This "adult entertainment" stuff is PURE CRAPOLA and its SOLE PURPOSE is to TWIST NATURAL HUMAN INSTINCTS until they are EXACTLY WHAT YOU, SIR (or ma'am) HAVE BECOME WITH YOUR LIFE but it may surprise you to learn that MANY PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD CHOOSE NOT TO HAVE TO BE FORCED TO SEE THESE IMAGES AND THEIR CHILDREN FORCED TO SEE THEM and for this reason while it may be legal in your sad corner of the world, THERE ARE LAWS AGAINST IT IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD AND YOU ARE PUTTING WIKIPEDIA IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW IN MANY JURISDICTIONS. SO I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO FIGHT THE LIKES OF YOU BECAUSE AS A HUMAN BEING, YOUR ANTI_FAMILY CAMPAIGN MAKES MY BLOOD CURDLE AND MY FLESH CRAWL
Til Eulenspiegel /
talk/ 07:24, 24 January 2013 (UTC) I WILL FIGHT THIS ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO BECAUSE I FIRMLY BELIEVE IT IS EVIL SO STOP PROMOTING YOUR DISGUSTING SICKNESSES HERE.
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See what I stated at my talk page about this. Flyer22 ( talk) 23:37, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
EF80 added a tag about a non-global point of view that is very much on the mark. I will try to gather information about the blonde vs. brunette rivalry outside of North America and add to the section and hope others do the same. Thanks for pointing this out! Vortex4id ( talk) 07:33, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
This "Rivalry" stuff currently takes up way too much of the article, especially considering that it is not a very significant part of being blond. The section should be moved to its own article if it really is significant, or cut way back. However, I'll wait for comment. rewinn ( talk) 19:19, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
No-one having objected, I have moved the Blonde vs. Brunette stuff to Blonde vs. brunette rivalry. This article is now more reasonably proportioned rewinn ( talk) 05:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
i think it is important to mention malnourishment and sunlight exposure brings out a blondish hair color, many of the regions/countries posted on this articles appear to fit that category, so i read the sources under those countries that appear to fit that category, and it turned out to be true that the sources are not accurate. People have also posted blogs as sources??? but why isn't there a section that mentions that, the article seems to present many format and spelling mistakes as well. Only sources or information that was inaccurate were removed, rest im still in the process of checking sources and rewording. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nursingxmajor ( talk • contribs) 03:06, 9 August 2013 (UTC) Nursingxmajor ( talk) 03:10, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
this section has many statistics, but only one source (source number 48), and discovered the source is unavailable Nursingxmajor ( talk) 21:01, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
the link works if you go down the page and click on the link, but does not mention the statistics posted Nursingxmajor ( talk) 21:08, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm skeptical of some of the sources in
Blond#Asia section but they are not available to check online. It's just hard to believe that "North Asia's population has an estimate of 1-19% with light hair"....that is so vague, it's the difference between 1 in 100 and 1 in 5.
It seems like this article, for reasons that are unclear to me, is the subject of some vandalism or POV subtext. It seems odd in an article about hair color which doesn't seem like a political issue.
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Recorded incursions into the Indian subcontinent at the hands of Europeans actually pre-dates the Roman era. See the campaigns of Alexander II of Macedon toward the end of his life and the establishment of Greco-Indian relations, including the syncretic kingdom of Bactria. [1]
Dear SQGibbo, I'm sorry for what happening But Please you And The others Add more Sources in The Article. -- محبة الكتب100 ( talk) 14:51, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
All The Edits of The Article is dubious But My edits that you have added is of the same article I said There are no source for the presence of blond hair in Asia (except Central Asia because of is near Russia) Example This need to Sources "Blond hair can be found in Asia, including Central Asia, West Asia, South Asia, and East Asia"
-- محبة الكتب100 ( talk) 22:13, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't understand why you give me a block i Don't Vandalized thing in wikipedia. Please Don't Block me Again, order will not turn to other accounts. When will you accept my edits because part of the article is unreasonable × _ × There are no source for existence of blondism in East Asia and West Asia and Why did not indicate/write in the article to History of the Greek kingdoms in Asia. -- Samer100 ( talk) 09:29, 10 October 2013 (UTC).
are tajiks and Kabyle Berbers really as blonde as the french?I think it is obviously mistaken and need to re-examination.Also Portugal's percentage showed as higher than France(Is it possible I guess it isn't.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.178.11.18 ( talk) 19:53, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
The Asia section indeed definetely needs an overhaul. West Asia has blondes, Central Asia has blondes and even South Asia has some natural blondes. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.86.142.220 ( talk) 00:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I checked the Asia section's sources and were 100% unreliable towards what was presented, you can tell based on the grammar it was hacked maybe because all the other sources say different information, but i will be creating a Asia section including all parts of Asia. I am a Anthropologist and follow DNA patterns. Nursingxmajor ( talk) 03:13, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
The statistics of northern Africa question me, based on my teachings, i am sure there is a high chance they are incorrect, but im in the process of checking the sources and wont change it until then. Nursingxmajor ( talk) 03:40, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Basically the sources listed were not saying the same thing that was posted in the article, not because i didn't like them. I will fix/create that section with updated sources and take into account what was previously presented including the sources, but there's multiple links and options for the same sources/books that are easier to access. Nursingxmajor ( talk) 04:17, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
I also read the reliable source link that you have just posted many times before. I also read those sources and been looking and reviewing this page for weeks, not in one sitting. I have also been reviewing Oceania, but didn't remove the sources because they were indeed indicating the same information. I am also reviewing north Africa, but did not remove nothing because i didn't check the sources yet, and i always compare and contrast the reliable source manual and other manuals from Wikipedia before removing anything, especially sources. Nursingxmajor ( talk) 04:31, 9 August 2013 (UTC) I was saying "unreliable" towards the sentences presented, not the actual sources, but will take into account the same sources as needed, but based on the multiple sources i will give, different information was presented. Majority of the sources say the opposite or drastic difference in information. I didn't think it would be accurate to present to the public in that manner. I already knew weeks ago if it was accurate or not, but didn't do anything until i checked my sources and the ones presented. I was in this field for a very long time until recently, most of this i already know, but wont put anything down without sources, when i find the exact sources i used years ago and link them, because it takes time and longer then one day. Nursingxmajor ( talk) 04:44, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Nursingxmajor passed this info to me, that 10% for tajiks came from the Soviet Union being in that region during the time of war, they were included in the 10%, the source is also very old which makes sense on how they came up with 10%. By now they have all left and the percent is more like 0.2%. There are still some people from the soviet union in Kazakstan (25%) compared to the rest, which was added, which should be there instead of the actual 0.2% of the surrounding countries.
The guy's sources were also comparing a specfic country rather than the entire Asia the phrase "comparatively high" was mentioned by him, when its really referring to that country not Asia, if that phrase wasn't added almost everyone would agree then why is that info even added for Asia, comparing to entire Asia the numbers will totally fail and source is more blog like created by one author and that's the type of sources you will always find with that info. Most people want to see their country mentioned some how which is what i suspect here, im from Turkey and were considered Asian too, but that needs to be set aside from the facts, which you learn to do when you actually have background studies in these types of topics.
Each country obviously has a region similar to those, might as well mention them all, if not only add the meat and potatoes, and those people and places fit perfectly in the environment causing light hair due to the fact that region is among the most impoverished. Were looking into her and his sources and comparing them and giving our info to the editor, Anthropologists can connect the dots very easily, theres no point of constantly reverting stuff because its very easy with no protection. Berber info is still being looked at. Columbiax ( talk) 19:00, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
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