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It would probably be useful if the article had a section discussing the modern attitudes towards blasphemy laws in general including those who appose them on free speech and freedom of religion grounds and those who support their continued existence/enforcement. -- Cab88 ( talk) 19:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
There are written laws to protect Nature, and the effects of breaking them are clearly evident over time. In general, because our natural creator, evolution, cannot actually speak for Herself, we only observe natural forms of punishment when man made laws show irreverence towards the laws of nature. These punishments manifest as ecological breakdowns and disasters, like plagues and famines, psychological dysfunction, like world wars between the false heavenly godfathers's religions, genocides, Holocausts, and eugenics, and extinction of species over evolutionary time. These consequences of going against scientific and common knowledge are caused by superstitious beliefs in myths, caused from lack of education and/or ignorance, and/or disceptions. Frederick Rhodes ( talk) 11:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Apparently you are just pointing fingers at us religious folks. Shall we blame atheism for Joseph Stalin's atrocities? I don't think so. But neither should you blame all of the problems of the past and present on so-called "superstitious belief". Please repent of such false statements you bring forth. 69.169.132.34 ( talk) 07:18, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
What the hell kind of drugs are you on Frederick? Seriously, I want to know. — Preceding
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" Blasphemous libel" is the term for the offence under the blasphemy laws in some states, i.e., it is essentially the same subject. Also, as such, the articles have overlapping/forking ccntent. Yceren Loq ( talk) 17:31, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
I think that this is a very bad idea. Blasphemous libel is a distinct offence. Due to the fact that it is a form of criminal libel, the offence of "blasphemous libel" has special rules that the separate offence of "blasphemy" doesn't.
I don't think that blasphemous libel can be appropriately merged into either Blasphemy law or Criminal libel because it is an intermediate concept. It is really neither blasphemy nor libel but rather a combination of both. James500 ( talk) 18:05, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
I am going to remove the merger tags because there doesn't appear to be any interest in this proposal. James500 ( talk) 06:41, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
The topic is Blasphemy law, but most of the lead, from the very start, talks about places where there is no Blasphemy law. Unless we are trying to make some sort of point, we should surely be concentrating on places where there is such law. HiLo48 ( talk) 06:52, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I agree that the focus of the lead is odd and that it may need to be rewritten. That said, the article should contain details that there is no blasphemy law in a particular country if this can be positively confirmed. James500 ( talk) 07:11, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I just reread the article 261 of the swiss law- This has nothing to do with blasphemy.[OPG]
The paragraph on Yemen in particular reads like a soapbox speech. It at least needs rewording to be suitable for an encyclopedia. MijinLaw ( talk) 12:10, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
I suspect that different countries define it differently. Can we find definitions per country and not just assume we know what they mean. For example, does it include saying "I don't believe" or must one say, "Your god doesn't exist"? Or does it include naming a teddy bear "Mohammad"? How about crushing a communion wafer? Many thanks! -- Monado ( talk) 01:54, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
I suggest to modify the first line of the article to say: Blasphemy law is law limiting the freedom of speech and expression related to blasphemy, or irreverence toward holy personages, religious artifacts, customs, and beliefs. Current definition is missing this essential element "freedom of speech". Just saying "related to" is much more vague. Description for every country talks about the limits of the speech. Yurivict ( talk) 18:59, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Would it be possible to create a world map showing the countries, where blasphemy is not criminalized, those where it is illegal, but (in practise) not punished, those with mild punishment, those with severe punishment and those with a capital punishment? 213.243.165.194 ( talk) 08:31, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
I disambiguated a link and got 3 error messages regarding citations, none of which referred to what I'd done. There are so many citations in this article that I haven't time to look for the errors, especially since I don't know exactly what I'm looking for Chrismorey ( talk) 06:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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Spain have Blasphemy punishment:
http://www.huffingtonpost.es/2016/03/18/multa-maestre-capilla_n_9495780.html
4.380 € penalty + possibility of prison for offense "against religious feelings"
the map should be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.136.2.137 ( talk) 02:10, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
The map is wrong, you can go to jail for up to 6 months in Austria.
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Why does this article include an old British law against blasphemy that's supposedly still "in force" in Israel? Have you ever seen an Israeli comedy show? VwM.Mwv ( talk) 09:06, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
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RTG: "primary role" LOL, that's a good one. If that were the case, its very existence would be a waste of taxpayer money.
Anyway, your source is not that bad. I might use it to clarify some things in this article.
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Many European countries do not have explicit blasphemy laws, yet they do have laws against "hate speech" which may include "criminally insulting religious and ethnic groups and inciting hatred and discrimination" (Netherlands). Also, the European Court of Human Rights ruled in 2018 that free speech does not include the right to call the prophet Mohammed "a paedophile". See Freedom of speech by country for a rather extensive list.
Should they not be included here as blasphemy laws? VwM.Mwv ( talk) 10:37, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
@ RTG: So you're saying they should be included. Then why remove my templates? VwM.Mwv ( talk) 23:15, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
@ RTG: Oops, my mistake. I didn't intend for those specific tags to remain when I reverted. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 23:36, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
@ RTG: I agree. I've updated the Israel section & added your source now. I've also tagged the map and added a preliminary reference to Freedom of speech by country in the lede. The problem is, I don't see any better way of organizing the list than by religion. However, one might distinguish between countries that regularly enforce these laws and countries that do not. I propose a 10-year model similar to the "abolitionist-in-practice" countries on the Capital punishment by country page. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 01:20, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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RTG: Sorry, I don't see how having a timescale-based map might be perceived as "bias" when it's just something objective.
I agree the list could (or maybe even should) be re-arranged based on geography instead of religion.
The map tag & free speech by country link are merely temporary measures until the relevant countries have been added.
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I see a weird reference in the current Poland section:
dailystormer.name (!)
-> https://www.tvp.info/40355485/jerzy-urban-w-areszcie-domowym-opinia which is an attack piece, GTranslate: which seems a paragon of a bombastic POV attack piece:
in the darkest letters, and for which he should really be responsible, not one that he may downplay... It is difficult to find a more disgusting figure than Jerzy Urban in Polish public life. A disgusting man who, for his own benefit, or in other words, to satisfy his private, not fully understood needs, has been spreading evil for nearly 40 years... etc.
This is The Daily Stormer, in case you do not know. What the heck? I have no time to look up who added it, but both are worrisome.
Fixing it now. Zezen ( talk) 06:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
The diff here, if you are curious: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Blasphemy_law&diff=977154267&oldid=976595798 Zezen ( talk) 06:36, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Let as add https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Blasphemy_Photoshoot.jpg
Etc. Zezen ( talk) 10:23, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
greece no longer has blasphemy laws, should its name be removed from the "European initiatives" part of this article? Zeon26 ( talk) 08:31, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Denmark reintroduced prison time for the "inappropriate treatment" of religious texts. How do you change the map? DenverCoder19 ( talk) 20:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)