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Why was Uncle Ruckus removed from fictional Blalck conservatives?
I removed him once again because he in no way reflects real blacks of any kind (much less conservatives) and is nothing more than a racist stereotype (to say the least) of black conservatives. 75.81.204.244 ( talk) 22:17, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
He's a bit of a straw conservative, a satire, and not a realstic character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.109.49.200 ( talk) 21:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
And Dr. Hibbert is on the list for what reason? I don't recall him ever making any statements about his political beliefs. 198.204.141.208 ( talk) 21:53, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
This page was split off from the main Black conservatism article in November 2008. Lord Cornwallis ( talk) 03:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
The citation provided [1] that supposedly justifies his inclusion on a list of black conservatives simply states that he was a moderator at a Republican presidential debate; the article actually states his criticism of GOP candidates that wouldn't show up. He also moderated a Democratic presidential debate [2] and authored a book called Hard Left: Straight Talk about the Wrongs of the Right. Can anyone provide proof that he's actually a conservative? Eco84 | Talk 08:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Seanwarner86 ( talk) Good Night and Good Luck 22:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Should there be a disclaimer telling people not to add names without giving sources? This has been a significant problem with the article and it would not only add to the accuracy but also make it easier to determine what information should be removed. Plus I personally feel it would release some burden off those who write for this page Seanwarner86 ( talk)Good Night and Good Luck 20:50, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
The new title does not fit since most blacks were members of the Republican Party during the late 19th century. Anyways, Republicanism in the United States does not refer to Republican Party membership, and is therefore not a descriptive title. I am in favor of the former title Black conservatism in the United States.-- William S. Saturn ( talk) 01:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Brooke was a supporter of Nelson Rockefeller's bid over Richard Nixon for the 1968 Presidential nomination. His work in the Senate favored liberal issues. He was a Pro-Choice Republican. It is wrong that he be included in this article. He was not a conservative, just a Republican. Skopelos-Slim ( talk) 16:21, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
This page needs updating. Tim Scott in South Carolina, and Allen West in Florida, were elected last night. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.51.6 ( talk) 01:27, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
This part of the article I think is poorly written and needs to be rewritten:
Blacks started to shift in significant numbers to the Democrats with the election of Franklin D. Roosevelt,[7] whose New Deal particularly benefited economically disadvantaged minority communities (not true - actually some New Deal programs discriminated against blacks and other minorities) and helped forge the New Deal coalition which dominated American politics for the next 30 years, and continued with the election of John F. Kennedy.
Is it true or not true? If it isn't then the sentence should be discarded and reworded.BigMac 16:35, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
This article lists many 19th Century Radical Republicans, who were considered by their contemporaries to be dangerously leftwing Jacobins, as Black Conservatives. I think there is great confusion in using Republican and Conservative interchangeably, since Radical Republicans were by 19th century on the far left of their spectrum. Even as late as the 1950s, Russel Kirk in his classic history of Conservatism, considered Abolitionists and Radical Republicans to be Jacobins and not conservatives. Reading through the Talk Archive, it seems that the original article name Black Republicans, created problems, but I think Black Conservatism does as well. -- Gary123 ( talk) 04:41, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The article linked to citation 2, in which this article claims the Economist called Sowell's exclusion from Ebony's list "spiteful", is talking about Clarence Thomas, not Thomas Sowell. May I recommend it be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:101:F000:2C00:70E3:940D:598B:8FB0 ( talk) 01:00, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
The article assumes that the default position of blacks in the United States is unquestioningly Democratic, or left leaning. It cites supposed "Republican" blacks with the flimsiest of evidence; some rapper went to a WH dinner in the 1980s etc. It fails to make the distinction (in reality the polarization) between historical Republicanism and modern Conservatism, citing radical Republican blacks from the 19th century as if they were trailblazers for modern-day Conservatives, when even the slightest understanding of the issues and historical evidence shows how ludicrously false this assertion to be. Truly one of the worst, and most deceptive Wikipedia articles today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.121.57.221 ( talk) 04:35, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
This article was originally entitled Black Republicanism in the United States, thus it made sense to include the history of Black Radical Republican Reconstructionists from the 1800s. However in 2010, User:William S. Saturn changed the name to Black Conservatism, despite failing to reach a consensus on the talk page. Black Radical Republicans were not considered conservative in their time, nor are they recognized to be conservative today. So either this article should be rewritten to only discuss conservatives or we should return it to its' original name. I think this is the only legitimate way the history of Radical Reconstruction can be incorporated into this article, unless someone can produce NPOV Academic sources arguing for the conservative nature of Radical Reconstruction. If necessary perhaps we could fork two articles one on Black Conservatism and the other specifically on the history of Black involvement in and support for the US Republican Party. -- Gary123 ( talk) 01:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
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In the "Timeline" section, it claims to state events that shaped black conservatism in the U.S. It also cites black elected officials that were elected as Republicans during Reconstruction, the association between "republican" and "conservative" being the only reason they are listed here. I suggest whoever created that article read up on the history of the Republican Party, and that most black Republicans elected during the 19th century were most definitely not conservative. MB298 ( talk) 02:19, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
I concur with this point. I removed Charles Henry Langston from the list for this very reason - on his own page it discusses his inclusion within the Republican Party but makes no mention of any elements that would fit him within "American Conservatism". Would be helpful I think to disaggregate Conservatism and Republicanism for the purposes of this page because if Langston is included, then individuals like Douglass would also incorrectly be included. Peacekeepurwar ( talk) 16:06, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
I added Bill Lucas, conservative Democratic Sheriff of Wayne County who switched to the Republican Party to run for Governor in 1986. I have removed David Clarke as, last time I checked Milwaukee is part of Wisconsin, not Michigan and I'll let someone else build a Wisconsin section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.46.225.180 ( talk) 22:46, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
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It appears that James Weldon Johnson was a supporter of Booker T. Washington throughout his life, but there are elements of Johnson that make him more liberal than Conservative, such as serving within the Roosevelt administration who arguably had at least as many liberal elements as conservative elements. For factual accuracy perhaps it would be wise to refrain from listing individuals like Johnson who have such mixed history Peacekeepurwar ( talk) 16:20, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
There are some major issues with this page. They include the following:
Lots of work to be done here. I am willing to do some of it, but not all. If other editors do not display interest in improving the page, some of the material (particularly the unsourced material) is going to have to go.
Thoughts? SunCrow ( talk) 20:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
I've been reading some interesting literature on some prolific black conservatives, including this profile of Clarence Thomas in the New Yorker ( https://www.newyorker.com/culture/essay/clarence-thomass-radical-vision-of-race), and this book by Shelby Steele (White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era). It would be nice for a change instead of lists of people, polls, and timelines in this article, we get an actual fleshing out, or at least an attempt at fleshing out the basis and reasoning behind conservatism in the black community, particularly on race relations. It may just be of my interest, but I believe it's worth including because it's such a small and scattered topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1jake312 ( talk • contribs) 01:39, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
They are a prominent African-American Conservative channel on youtube. They could be a simple addition although I would admit their lack of news exposure likely means they are not able to have a full page of their own. Bgrus22 ( talk) 23:00, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
I created their page Hodgetwins.-- Ethan Wood Snr ( talk) 17:26, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
By and large, there is a huge misunderstanding in this article.
Most Black Americans are comparatively conservative when you compare their policy views with liberal white Americans and conservative white Americans.
The reason why black conservatives vote for the democratic party is because of the underlying coalition the republican party is made of.
You also have two types of Black Republicans
Race-CONSCIOUS Black Republicans, generally speaking, want to change the party to make it less hostile to Black people (read: racist) to win over the many, many Black conservatives who currently vote for Democrats.
and
Race-BLIND Black Republicans, though, as the label suggests, are invested in a kind of colorblind politics and are much more white-facing. They get institutional support from the party, bigger platforms, and they say the things about Black people that white Republicans want to say.
they both arrive to the same policy decisions but for very different reasons.
You have to realize that black conservatism is an ideology, for instance, Candace Owens is a token member of "white" conservatism or race-blind conservatism. Her base of power is almost exclusively white people. Whereas most would agree that the Nation of Islam is a conservative group with a black agenda.
The most significant factor for whether a black person will vote republican or democrat, is how central "blackness" is central to their identity. the less it is the more likely they will affiliate with the GOP.
a great podcast that explains this: https://one.npr.org/?sharedMediaId=761532953:761773661
Given the lack of citations, links, or indication of notability, is the blog section of this article really necessary? Given WP:DOAL, this list doesn't seem notable and just clutters the page. Please feel free to roll back and add citations if anyone thinks I'm being unfair. - LatakiaHill ( talk) 21:41, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
Hello @ Kitchee476,
Could you please explain your edits? They seem to be in good faith but quite a few seem to be random. I noticed certain {citations needed} tags being removed without citations being added. A name or two removed as well, if I'm not mistaken. Please provide a brief edit summary before publishing your changes. Mooonswimmer 18:18, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi,
The names I removed have either been already included earlier in the article or have no articles attached to them. I removed the citation needed tags as all of their articles state that they are Republicans. Hope that is ok. Kitchee476 ( talk) 18:23, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Another plea to Kitchee476 to let the community reach a consensus here instead of reverting. Edits such as these "Republicans in the 90's are Conservatives" are not adequate. If we literally have no source saying he's conservative and nothing in his article indicating it, it's WP:SYNTH to include these people here. Considering that the conservative movement still considers many elected GOP officials " Republican in Name Only" in 2022, it's a stretch including any GOP member now conservative, but in the 1990s there were still many liberal Republicans. Verifiability is a key plank of Wikipedia, and these edits fail that. BobFromBrockley ( talk) 12:03, 25 July 2022 (UTC) Also 1983 is not in the 1990s. BobFromBrockley ( talk) 12:05, 25 July 2022 (UTC)