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The article now progresses sensibly from introduction, through history, through the EU adoption process, to the current state of observance in the EU. Previously the content was mixed up across sections, some of them badly named, some of them containing information not relevant to the European Day of Remembrance. Perhaps in the new structure there are places for you to put back information you feel WAS relevant, for example Georgia. But basically there was too much attempt here to stretch the European Day and include a lot of black ribbon stuff without explaining that it is separate from the official EU Day which is the subject of this page. Spitfire3000 ( talk) 22:50, 22 January 2012 (UTC) If you think this page is about black ribbon day then i suggest a new title or a separate page. With the current title it quite clearly restricts relevance to the official EU day. if it's not EU, it's background information on this page. Canada is not european and does not observe the European Day of Remembrance. Spitfire3000 ( talk) 22:53, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Read the introduction first. The introduction has always made it perfectly clear that this remembrance day is known under two different names, one of which is Black Ribbon Day. A Wikipedia article can only have one main title, but the lead can include alternate names. The remembrance day in Canada is the same as the European one, commemorating the same event on the same day. Canada is also part of the OSCE (this remembrance day is supported both by the EU and the OSCE). Black Ribbon Day is the traditional name of this remembrance day used in the Baltics. European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism is a new name for what is historically called Black Ribbon Day (since the 1980s) used by the European Parliament. Tataral ( talk) 23:08, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
If you want this article to be about black ribbon day then a different title is necessary, because this article uses the official EU title which hasn't been used by anyone else (and isn't even used by some of its supporters at national level). I made efforts to include the background of black ribbon day where relevant to the EU Day. The PA of the OSCE declared support for the EU Day, reaffirming it as an EU Day, not reforming it as a collaboration with the OSCE. Canada supports the EU Day via the PA of the OSCE, not as a member state of the EU. Perhaps rewriting as Black Ribbon Day and relegating the EU Day to a subsection would be more appropriate, because that seems to be what you are suggesting is the reality. Spitfire3000 ( talk) 00:32, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
No, a different title is not necessary. There are plenty of articles on things that have more than one name. One chooses the most common name and includes alternate names in the lead section. In this case, European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism is the most common name of the remebrance day on 23 August known both as European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism, Black Ribbon Day and even some other names that are variations of European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism. This article is not exclusively about the "EU day", it's about the remembrance day for totalitarianism on 23 august known under different names and observed both inside EU and in other countries, and that originated in the 1980s long before the EU initative. Tataral ( talk) 01:19, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
The list of countries observing the day is not complete. I'm having a hard time understanding machine translation from Lithuanian, but it clearly appears that 23 August is officially commemorated there [1] [2] [3] [4] Tataral ( talk) 01:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC) Yes, Lithuania belongs in this section. She must have been the fifth of the "five member states" announced in 2010. Good work. Spitfire3000 ( talk) 01:51, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Its name there appears to be "Europos diena stalinizmo ir nacizmo aukoms atminti ir Baltijos kelio diena" [5] - machine translated quite meaninglessly as "European Day of Victims of Stalinism and Nazism in the Baltic and the memory of a few days". Tataral ( talk) 01:56, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
This is a direct translation of the official EU title but adds "Baltic Way Day" at the end. Spitfire3000 ( talk) 02:13, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Tataral stated "There are no conclusive data on which countries bodies that currently observe the day" This is because nobody observes it. A few articles in anti-semitic news portals is all the evidence I can find in Lithuania that this day has any importance whatsoever. This is why I repeatedly edit all these articles to ensure that a nonbinding resolution by the EP does not appear to be consequential and certainly doesn't show europe-wide agreement. If the proposal had been binding, it would never have received a majority, even in the EP, because generally the european consensus is that communist crimes are not worthy of equal treatment to the nazi crimes. This was explained by Reding referring to the Montero Report. The Day is not universally accepted, this is the POV of high level european officials and bodies. I see no reason to allow a different POV to be implied by the text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spitfire3000 ( talk • contribs)
http://www.ustrcr.cz/en/23-august-the-european-day-remembrance-victims-totalitarian-regimes Please see the right interpretation on this web site, explaining that Nazism and Stalinism were only some of many totalitarian and authoritarian regimes in Europe. Members of the Working Group for the Platform of European Memory and Conscience believe that Europe will not be united unless it is able to recognise Nazism, Stalinism and other totalitarian and autocratic systems as a common European legacy and bring about an honest and thorough debate on all crimes against humanity of the past century. Does the author mean that Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin have occupied the Greater Circassia (including Alaska, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, California) and Tamerlan Tsarnayev has been a guerilla liberating the Greater Circassia? There are no reliable sources about the division of Eastern Europe during the Yalta conference apart from the opinion of an author that the USA and the UK leaders and even populations are responsible on the Europe division. To proceed with the article logic USA and UK must be legal targets of "anti-stalinist" guerillas from Eastern Europe. The totalitarian and authoritarian regimes of Baltic states, Poland, Romania violated the rights of German, Ukrainian, Belorussian, Rusin populations, of Christians, of Czechoslovakia. They were the closest allies of Hitler who sacrificed these allied regimes when they had become useless ones in his opinion. Sir Whinston Chuchill emphasised in the British parliament after August 23, 1939 that when Central Europe and Eastern Europe authoritarian and totalitarian regimes together had successfully attacked democratic Czechoslovakia, being the closest ally not only of Stalin, but of the UK and France, any Russian leader would sign this treaty, not only Stalin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MVanova ( talk • contribs) 08:44, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
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Citing a US government propaganda website as a source seems very sketchy. I have in mind to further NPOV this page, but that would be a rather large set of changes. So I'm writing here in the talk page first to see what everyone else thinks. KetchupSalt ( talk) 10:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)