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This entire article sounds like a table of contents for a Biriyani cookbook and is significantly lacking in detail. My earnest request to the user community -please help improve this tem by provoding detail for each relevant type of biriyani, particularly around specifc cooking techniques and regional or special spices used. Also of great interest would be an indiation of traditional side dishes served. No, I am ot talking of popular side dishes, I am looking for traditional items, e.g. Hydabadi biriyani ith Mirhi ka saalan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.113.219.42 ( talk) 13:12, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Hyderabadi Biryani has a different way of preparation; hence, it's called Hyderabadi Biryani. The ingrediant used are relatively different that used in the Biryani of North India.
Also, the Hyderabadi Biryani is served with "Mirchi Ka Salan" and some curd (Dah'ee ki Chatni). Mirchi Ka Salan is a Hyderabadi offering, exclusively. Manzoorkhan 06:02, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Raisins seem to be a staple of the Biryanis I've had; is that characteristic of a particular region? -- Beland 22:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Interesting, I dont recall ever having had raisins in my Biryani. I've mostly eaten Biryani in Bombay, India. 76.17.110.17 00:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
What's the difference between Pilaf and Biryani, since they both seem to involve the same methods of preparation/ingredients, as well as originating in the Iran-India region? Le Anh-Huy 08:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
It is standard Arabic script. I don't think Wikipedia can actually have Nastaliq. elpincha ( talk) 16:54, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
"Historians claim that the earlier Nawabs of Punjab wore a matching turban for each variety of biryani." Surely this is someone's idea of a joke? -- Zubedar ( talk) 20:18, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
The 'types of biryani' section lists the lung-mutton Iranian variety first. I don't see why that version of the dish is mentioned first. It's not the most popular kind of biryani. In fact, I think it's a relatively exotic form. Putting it so close to the top of the article might misinform people who're just skimming. It's not as though the list is alphabetized and Iranian biryani should come first. The section on Iranian biryani is also quite short. Move it to the bottom?
پوویا ( talk) 15:14, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Can't find why there are too many edit links near the video section.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Codetiger ( talk • contribs) 07:43, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Nasi kebuli juga trdapat di Malaysia, cara pemasakan nya amat berbeza, jadi nasi kebuli gak boleh di kategori kan sebagai nasi biryani
The assertion that Nasi Minyak is a Malaysian version of Biriyani is incorrect. Nasi Minyak (or Oily Rice) is traditionally served at Malay weddings, and as the article says is served not only with rendang, but also ayam masak merah (a "red" chicken curry), dalcha(which is a vegetable curry of sorts) and acar. The ingrediants that go into the rice include oil & butter. This dish is possibly a variation of "Ney Chooru" (or Ghee/oil rice) that is commonly had by South Indians, and was possibly brought by them to the Straits Settlements.
This is true for Singapore as well, where Biriyani is thought of as an Indian dish rather than a Malay one, although variations of Biriyani are now available including dum biriyani
I'll leave this for discussion and make the change after a month if there are no objections.
Sumenon ( talk) 03:06, 24 October 2010 (UTC)SuMenon
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"In most of the restaurants one has to ask to boost spices." This could probably be reworded so that it isn't expressing an editor's opinion as fact. -- 203.9.151.254 ( talk) 03:44, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
India have an ancient history. Sankskrit language is the ancient language of all the ancient empires. Rice was traded during the silk route as well that was established thousands of years ago. Some people are trying hard to fake it with fake references in history. India existed before the 15th century as well. Rice was a staple food even in the 1 century AD in India. So Rice and its dishes have local origins. Biryani have a Pure local origin. This viewpoint must be respected at all costs. If someone have any problem then kindly discuss it here and then add it on the main page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mintoo44 ( talk • contribs)
@ Mintoo44: Regarding your assertions:
Also, you're adding completely unsourced content (your own opinions and theories), sometimes with fake references ( e.g.) that don't even mention the word biryani.
Pinging @ Nestwiki:, since s/he has contested similar POV-pushing by you on this page in the past. utcursch | talk 17:54, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
this line in the main article " In Bangladesh, puffed rice is also used." is a wrong information.
its really not possible to cook Biryani by Puffed rice, Even though there is a reference it's not true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.142.180 ( talk) 23:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
This article gives only one half of the story of biryani in South Africa. There are two distinct biryani traditions in the country, this article only covers the Indian version, predominantly found in Kwa-Zulu Natal province where Indian indentured labourers (brought into the Natal Colony during the 19th century) founded a still thriving community. The other, not mentioned here, is the Cape Malay cuisine, prevalent in the Western Cape province, which comes from the descendants of slaves brought to the Cape from the Dutch East Indies when the Dutch ruled the colony, from the mid-seventeenth century to the end of the eighteenth century. The Cape Malay version is frequently called "breyani". Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 11:16, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Jacob Sahaya Kumar Aruni's claim about "Oon Soru" is pretty much a promotion for his "ancient cuisine". Meat being cooked with rice is nothing unique. Literally hundreds of such dishes are found all over the world. Unless there any books / academic or scholarly source which support this claim, giving it prominence is undue weight. utcursch | talk 21:20, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
@Barthateslisa All Biryani has it's origins among South Asian Muslim communites. It's not consumed by other Indian ethnic groups. In India, Muslims aren't just a faith, many Muslims belong to an ethnoreligious group, such as the mapilla, or the Hyderabadi Muslims, or the Khojas. Stop looking at it from a religious perspective for a minute. Food has no religion, but food does belong to ethnic groups. You're not gonna say Matzoh Balls originated from Germany, you're gonna say they originated among the Jewish community in Germany, because.... the Jews are an ethnoreligious group. And you can't change that to fit your own personal history. Biryani originated from Muslim communites in the Indian subcontinent, not just the Mughal kitchens, as you have Muslim communitees all the way in the southern most parts of India, who were not ruled by the Mughals. In fact, if you look at all the major native forms of Biryani, they have their origins among the Muslim communities there.... I don't see why you have to change that. Saying that it originates just from the Indian subcontinent makes it sound like it's made among every single Indian ethnic group, it's not. Hammad.511234 ( talk) 20:06, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
@ Bartheslisa: No.... Why are you looking at it from a religious perspective. First of all, South Indian Hindus don't make Biryani.... I'm South Indian.... In fact, go search up "South Indian Biryani," you will find that the majority of the recipes have the name Muslim in it, because Biryani is associated with the Muslims of these places. South Indian Muslims do make Biryani, almost all of them, from the Dakhini, to the Mapilla, to the Rowder, to the Beary people. Kashmiris and Punjabis or Bengalis are not ethnoreligious groups. These ethnic groups don't have their origins among one single faith, but even still, the Muslims of these groups have their own Biryanis. Have you met a Lahori? Have you never eaten Kolkata Biryani (From the Nawabs of Bengal)? Kashmiri Biryani's a real treat btw. When we refer to "The Muslims of the Indian subcontinent," we're referring to the ethnoreligious groups that all just so happen to share Biryani in their cuisines. The Biryani "Phenomenon somehow got to the majority of these people. Not such a big deal. Once you say that it originates from the Indian subcontinent, you basically give it such a vague origin, but it has it's origin among the Muslims of South Asia.
@ Bartheslisa: Oh lord.... Biryani, has its origins among the Muslim community in South Asia. Not even you can change that. And in India, only Muslims make Biryani. Hindus don't make Biryani, it's not in the populous cuisine. There are many theories of where it came from, Persia? Arabia? But there is no doubt that it has its origins among India's Muslims. I'm not adding any pov. If you don't like that source, than I'm changing it, but stop discrediting the people that it originates from. It doesn't help you. Hammad.511234 ( talk) 20:13, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Barthateslisa ( talk) 08:44, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Barthateslisa There is scholarly input in it..... Biryani is not made by any other Indian community. And you know that. I don't know why you keep changing the edits. Wikipedia's not a place for you to change history. Your reverts are illegitimate, as you clearly have some sort of problem with the word Muslim. Which you removed from two places. Who were the Mughals? Muslims... who were the other nawabs who created their own biryanis... Muslims. If you clearly hate putting the word Muslim in this article, then just eave it alone. Stop trying to discredit people. You also changed the Tukish and Muslim communities of Macedonia to just Turkish communities... Macedonian Muslims, and Turkish Macedonians are two different ethnic groups, not the same. Hammad.511234 ( talk) 20:14, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Barthateslisa You're not making any sense.... Biryani is only found amongst south asian Muslims. In in their cuisine. And it was also sourced. You have no right to remove that information. You do realize that the Biryani eaten amongst the Mapilla is not from the Mughals. It was brought by Arab traders. There are many Muslims ethnoreligious groups in India, and they all share Biryani. Stop looking at it from a religious perspective. There are many theories of its origin, but all those theories are amongst south Asia's Muslim community. Deleting it for the umpteen number of time is not gonna change history. For example, Roti, can be said as originating from the Indian subcontinent. It doesn't have a specific ethnic background. But Biryani, is from the Muslim community. Two books, that are sourced in this wikipedia article support this statment. You clearly have some sort of problem with the word "Muslim" even when it's sourced, and it's not used in terms of religon. In fact, one book has it right on the front page. So your editing is illegitimate. You obviously don't have a problem with the word "Hindu" in the article. Well obviously you don't. Stop with your bigotry, because knowledge is more powerful than your edits. Hammad.511234 ( talk) 02:48, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
@ Barthateslisa, @ Hammad.511234, Here, user Hammad.511234 is hell bent on pushing his POV based on personal experiences just as he does it in hyderabadi muslim articles.. i think its best to avoid arguments with a 'self proclaimed expert' on all things 'hyderabadi' or 'muslims'.. What i would like to see would be the content/openion Must be having strong backing of third party and reliable sources -- Adamstraw99 ( talk) 06:26, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Adamstraw99 And my content was sourced. But he keeps removing it. In fact, my content was sourced with article used in the page before me... he just want to get on with his POVS, or he has a problem with the word Muslim. In fact, he previously deleted the word "Muslim, when referring to Turkish and Muslim Macedonian communities, he just left Turkish and Macedonian. Macedonian Turks, and Macedonian Muslims are two different groups. Hammad.511234 ( talk) 10:36, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
I think the current description ' Indian subcontinent' is appropriate rather than writing 'Muslim' angle in intro... this should be closed. -- Adamstraw99 ( talk) 11:38, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
@ Bartheslisa: You misquoted the source on "Muslim centres," the book sourced says Muslim centres. Lucknow was free of Mughal rule since 1724, and the Biryani went a long way from there. Awadhi cusine developed its own distinctive flavour, so idk why you changed that part. I'm not talking about the origin, the origin is mentioned as coming from the Arabs to South India, and the Mughals to North India. But my edit mentioned among which community the dish is found. So idk why you removed that either, it was even sourced with 4 sources, and I can give more sources if you please. Everybody knows that Biryani is associated with South Asia's Muslims. Hammad.511234 ( talk) 13:20, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
@ Bartheslisa: It's not my own theory... The origin of Biryani can have many origins, that's nice, but they all are from the Muslims of the subcontinent. Biryani is only found among the cuisines of South Asian Muslims. No one else makes it. Awadhi, is an offshoot of Mughlai cuisine, so what? They're not the same, and you're misquoting the book. Awadh did become a separate kingdom in 1724, and the same goes for Hyderabad. ANd what about the South Indian Muslim communities who make Biryani, with no connection to the Mughals? All Biryanis originate among Muslim ethnic groups in South Asia. Biryani is common among all of them, so your points are not justified, especially when all the claims are sourced, and are well known. Are you going to tell me that Sheer Khurma is a dish of Indian origin? No.... it's common among all Muslims on Eid. Religious groups sometimes develop their own cuisine. Hammad.511234 ( talk) 17:19, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
this statement is incorrect and truly personal opinion --> "Biryani is only found among the cuisines of South Asian Muslims. No one else makes it." this is clear evidence yet again that user Hammad.511234 has strong POV attitude and will probably not listen to other editors..especially @ Barthateslisa ---- Adamstraw99 ( talk) 06:57, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
I have removed the paragraph in the etymology section talking about vegetarian biryani and pulao as it does not belong there. There is already an extensive section talking about the difference between biryani and pulao, which led to inconsistency in this article with that extra paragraph in the etymology section. I also had it's only source as an opinion piece done only just a few months ago with no actual factual evidence for the claim. I'm perfectly fine with people saying veg biryani is not biryani, but if you're going to put that in the article you need a factual source rather than a source that is just an opinion. It also needs to be in the proper section. The etymology section is there to explain the origin of the word, not to advance personal opinions. 75.107.198.169 ( talk) 18:56, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
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All sources in this article mention the origin of Biryani among the Muslims of the Indian subcontinent. It is crucially important to mention this FACT, I don't understand why this is an issue? And no one is mentioning "Islam", Muslims are a community, Islam is a religion. Hammad.511234 ( talk) 04:03, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
-- which source is giving copyright of biryani to muslims? this is ridiculous --
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Adamstraw99 How about you read the sourced material before you undo a properly sourced and accepted claim.... Hammad.511234 ( talk) 22:10, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
hey Hammad.511234 , I know your emotional attachments to the word muslim and your numerous attempts on your POV pushing in this and several other articles which are close to your heart (i.e. hyderabadi muslim article etc. etc. ) ..but sadly, Indian subcontinent is a better description according to me ..thanks -- Adamstraw99 ( talk) 11:58, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Adamstraw99 There are no emotional attachments involved, it's not even a pov. It's a fact, that is mentioned in all the articles sourced. It's not about what a better description is to you, it's about what the source says, you're pushing your pov by ignoring a fact mentioned in the source. Hammad.511234 ( talk) 17:22, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
oho Hammad.511234, when did i push any POV in this article?? i hardly edit this article.... but going by the history of this article, it appears you are hell-bent on POV that its origins are "muslim" Adamstraw99 ( talk) 17:33, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Adamstraw99 It's origins are among the Muslims of South Asia.... That's a fact, and it has been sourced properly. You said "Indian subconintnent is a better description," the thing is,you are discrediting an entire community by doing so. When all sources are cohesive in their understanding of the dish's origins, why do you feel something else is a "better description"? Hammad.511234 ( talk) 17:50, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Is this name supposed to be a translation of Biryani? Or is it another name? Hammad.511234 ( talk) 00:07, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
"Biryani is a popular dish in south of BaluchestanSistan and Baluchestan Province and in BastakBastak,Hormozgan ProvinceHormozgan Province and has been served in celebrations and gathering to guests." I translated and added this from persian wikipedia off the same article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.119.80.219 ( talk) 08:11, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Biryani is an Urdu word derived from the Persian language, which was used as an official language in different parts of medieval India, by various Islamic dynasties. One theory is that it originates from birinj, the Persian word for rice. Another is that it derives from biryan or beriyan, to fry or roast. During the Safavid dynasty (1501–1736) in Persia, a dish called Berian Pilao (Nastaliq script: بریان پلو) was made with lamb or chicken, marinated overnight – with yogurt, herbs, spices, dried fruits like raisins, prunes or pomegranate seeds – and later cooked in a tannour oven. It was then served with steamed rice. Clearly Biryani was cooked in the kitchens of the Persianized Muslim dynasties of Northern region of South Asia. All regions developed their own varieties depending on their regional tastes. Some people want to emphasize South Indian origin in this article which is historiaclly incorrect. Centaur17 ( talk) 19:07, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Biriyani is originated in Ancient Tamilakam.Ancient Sangam Literature has mentioned the Biriyani. Skylark95choppen ( talk) 15:40, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Expect more edits related to the origins. Expect muddling between the origin of the dish and the (claimed) origin of the word. The Twitter University bots are coming!!! They will base it on a few tweets by TrueIndology (@TIinExile) that were posted an hour ago. - 124.123.105.127 ( talk) 10:59, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
True Pundology ChandlerMinh ( talk) 16:33, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
About biryani Saweranazir123 ( talk) 05:10, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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Please change the duplicated phrase Biryani (
/bɜːrˈjɑːni/) is a
mixed rice dish Biryani (
/bɜːrˈjɑːni/) is a
mixed rice dish
to Biryani (
/bɜːrˈjɑːni/) is a
mixed rice dish
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Hello,
I made a few edits to correct the spellings (from American English to British English), because, at the beginning of the Wikipedia article, there was a hidden template, "Use British English". My edit has been reverted by TheCherryPanda.
Now, I don't want to start edit warring, but I politely announce that I shall revert TheCherryPanda's edit.
Please Rectify, I am Being Here to Help You ( talk) 09:22, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Every one is having different opinion, based on the Archaeological findings, Kezhadi in Sivagangai district in Tamil Nadu found the rice seed is one of the oldest as per carbon dating. So, the Biriyani is possibly originated in Tamil Nadu. The valid point till today people of other parts of India or world the preferred crop is "Wheat" for their full time food. Where as the "Rice" is full time food for Tamils. So the only evidence is the Biriyani must be originated from Tamil Nadu where the first rice is cultivated as per the seed of Kezhadi excavation. 2001:8F8:1E55:C46:2BA:1543:39C0:32E5 ( talk) 10:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Attempts to legitimise saffronised versions of biryani are not new. Biryani is, by definition, made from layered rice and meat. The rice acquires its flavour from the spices, aromatics, and the meat. Replacing the meat with vegetables and calling it biryani is as ridiculous as replacing the rice with wheat or noodles and calling it biryani. Sure, some people can do whatever they want in their personal kitchens, but that does not give it legitimacy. Nonwiktion ( talk) 04:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
Peas are an important ingredient in several tradition food products, such as ... chicken or mutton biryani, vegetable biryani, ...
sabej biryani: vegetable biryani
The most popular recipe, for both taste testing and cooking again at home, was the vegetable biryani.
Vegetable biryani
Stewmuhn recent made this addition. Unfortunately, it is not supported by the cited sources:
Tracing the origins of kachchi biryani is a complex task, as there are various theories and historical accounts associated with its origin. It is widely believed that kachchi biryani originated in the Indian subcontinent, specifically in the region of Bengal. The dish is said to have been influenced by the culinary traditions of the Mughals, who ruled over large parts of the Indian subcontinent during the 16th and 17th centuries... ...According to one account, Kachchi Biryani was created during the reign of Nawab Wajid Ali Shah, the last Nawab of Awadh in present-day Uttar Pradesh, India... ...Another legend suggests that Kachchi Biryani was introduced in Bengal during the rule of Murshid Quli Khan, the first Nawab of Bengal, in the 18th century... ...While these historical accounts and legends offer insights into the origin of Kachchi Biryani, it's important to note that the exact details and historical evidence may vary.I think it's pretty clear that that source is saying that the origins of the dish are unclear, and it clearly cannot be used to support a bald assertion that it originated in Dhaka.
This food was introduced by the Chaghtai people of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Residents of these winter-dominated regions prefer red meat, especially lamb. They learn to prepare a special meal using rice with red meat and various ingredients, such as butter, pepper, salt, cardamom and local spices such as nutmeg. And that's how kachchi biryani started... ...Later, the fame of this biryani spread in Dhaka city in a very short time through the cooks who came with the Mughal Subedars.(Machine translated) So, that also does not support the assertion that it originated in Dhaka.
I don't want to get into an edit war, so I have asked Stewmuhn to remove it themselves. Girth Summit (blether) 12:54, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Adding this section so that people can reach a conscise on this matter. Urging not to add anything related to this before a conscise is reached on this matter. Afv12e ( talk) 16:54, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, when possible, could the promotional material be removed from this sentence (under Varieties, Delhi biryani):
"Each part of Delhi has its own style of biryani, often based on its original purpose..."
The bolded word is currently an external link leading to 'best biryani' recipes. Thank you for your time! StartGrammarTime ( talk) 06:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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I would like the last version of the article with my edits to be restored by the administrators before it was undone by Afv12e. I have been helping to work on this article for several years now and have on numerous occasions been the one to request increased protection due to vandalism. As user MrOllie noticed, despite the claims of vandalism made against me, my edits were obviously not vandalism. All the edits I made were cited and organizational and helped improve the conflicting claims and poor grammar that currently exist in the article. Instead of being willing to provide reason as to why my edits were being undone, user Afv12e repeatedly referred to my edits as vandalism and repeatedly implied that my edits should be considered invalid since I was “under admin review” — accusing me of being a sock puppet without being willing to have a constructive discussion with me on the talk page first. That same admin review, however, repeatedly told him to do so or that my actions were not vandalism: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents TheCherryPanda ( talk) 17:02, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Deactivating edit request as protection has expired. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)