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This page is embarrassingly credulous, with every other word a link to some page on FIGU, the organization founded by Meier. Phiwum 21:26, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Phiwum has a point in that "every other word a link to some page on FIGU", however if one goes through the links on the page you will find that there are links to opposing viewpoints and criticisms, including a link to the "table top model", the book from which the "dinosaur photo" was copied, the Dean Martin show actresses, etc., etc. The external links are provided to enhance the information presented in this encyclopedic entry. The breadth of this case is such that to get a grasp on it either pro or con requires a vast amount of study and thought. The Kal Korff book which is the source of much debunking of this case has itself been thoroughly debunked as shoddy "investigative research". This case is the single most controversial case in Ufology, and with good reason. For an extensive bibliography of this case, both pro and con, see http://www25.brinkster.com/chancede/Meier.html
Just couldn't let it rest now. You people just had to parrot Meier's unsubstantiated propaganda, including "pointing out the frauds". Still on that quest for authority. Seeing this highly subjective article which of course omits a few negative details such as Meier's imprisonment and his desertion from the French Foreign Legion (left it?), I can only hope the moderators of Wikipedia act swiftly in restricting this biased article which is entirely based on the claims of one questionable individual. (TerraX)
bando de débeis mentais! bando de palhaços cegos desgraçados que tentam tampar o sol com a peneira, voces estão lascados seus bandos de burros dos infernos!!!
Kal Korff's book Spaceships of the Pleiades is coming out in an all new series. Contrary to what Meier believers claim, Korff's expose of Meier has largely held up. In the new versions, people will be empowered to fake their own "UFO" photos just like Billy Meier.
This article seems shockingly uncritical. I think it should at least mention the fact that the UFO that appears in many of his pictures was found to be a model stored in his garage. Moreover many of the photos show obvious signs of double-exposure and other simplistic tricks. In one case a photograph he claimed was of an alien appears to be a picture of
Dean Martin snapped from a television.
To anyone not seeking enlightenment from alients, Meier is simply a guy who's little fun hoax got out of control until everyone interested, himself included, believed it. It also attracted the attention of the "professional" myth busters, who's attention he did not find so fun.
There are others that are not so kind. Meier's wife described the "foundation" as a cult, or at least a swindling excersize.
Maury 12:19, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
I would like to see a picture of his 'wedding cake UFO' in the article. Anybody who sees it who has a basic visual literacy or any confidence in their own senses will have all the information they need. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.193.36.9 ( talk) 15:26, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Actually, from what I've heard, the models were brought to Billy's house for photos to be taken and compared to his photos. His wife, including some others that claimed to have seen the aliens with Meier, took a lie detector test and passed saying that they saw aliens. His wife and him got devorced so whatever she has to say could be a lie because they may not get along anymore. You have to judge the case on facts, not just opinions and theories. If you did that with everything, you wouldn't get very far when trying to build things for example. I also heard that some myth busters or whoever tried to duplicate one of his photos but couldn't. They have been put under intense scrutiny and nothing has been proving otherwise from what he has stated. I'm not saying that he's telling the truth. I'm just saying that the case really needs to be looked at inside and out so it can be over with. There still isn't a definitive answer of if he is sencere. But more evidence falls in his favor. Oh, and if it is a hoax, it is more than a little hoax. He should be thrown in jail if it is. He's claims to have had contact since 1942 I think. That's a long time to hold on to some hoax. And his life has been threatened over 20 times. I wouldn't go out of my way to pull a hoax if I might get killed and not even get rich from my hoax.
Roland Reid. Email me if you have more to talk about the case. Roland_Reid23@yahoo.com
I can sympathize.
I added some interesting stuff about the name "Semjaze". I think it would be interesting (and a bit chilling) to consider ( Aaron Donahue has nothing on this guy!). Also consider some of the predictions made by Meier (supposedly most of them came true).
RoyBot 06:23pm, Dec 18 2005
82.40.232.210 ( talk) 17:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC) From my research into the subject of Billy Meier which is extensive but by no means exhaustive Billy never claimed to have met Jesus Christ. He claims to have met a man called Jmmanuel who he claims existed at around the time of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ never existed according to Mr Meier. In fact Mr Meier states that Christianity is a corruption of the teachings of Jmmanuel. He also claims his human spirit is the same as that which incarnated as Jmmanuel and other prophets throughout many thousands of years in the past. If you would like a source then there are plenty at www.figu.org, us.figu.org, www.theyfly.com and my own website www.futureofmankind.co.uk. A good one might be http://us.figu.org/portal/BillyMeier/HisWork/ClarificationofaDefamatoryClaim/tabid/58/Default.aspx because it is from the USA website of Billy Meier's official organisation called FIGU. Does this qualify as relevant and substantial evidence towards the case of not including that section on Mr Meier meeting Jesus Christ (that I recently removed), please?
Jamesgtmoore ( talk) 17:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC) I just want to say that 82.40.232.210 is me and I've now recovered my password. :)
[[[User:Davidacaruso|Davidacaruso]] ( talk) 16:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC) 2008-09-02] The main point, which is obvious, is being dodged deliberately in the above discussion. Of course we know that Jmmanuel is the same person that others call Jesus. Meier said that the word "Christ" is an evil word, and that part of the mission of the Pleiadians (or Plejaren, if you like; we know to whom it refers) is to destroy organized religions like Christianity. This is a task that obviously Meier will fail at, since he is obviously a hoaxer. This sad truth comes to light when you consider the unabridged version of the Contact Dialogues which detail the conversation between Meier and the Jesus/Jmmanuel. Of course, such a dialogue is hard to stomach as remotely credible to most people, and so it was left out. But the dialogue does exist, and was transcribed, and is part of Meier's story, which is why I have added it to Wikipedia. Those wishing to know more about Meier will want to know this information; because it is important to know that Meier claims, mostly indirectly, but succinctly, that Meier is the incarnation of Jesus (i.e. Jmmanuel). Those who would defend Meier's credibility would bury this information. But then you are playing a misinformation game; you are hiding the truth, and you are hiding information put out by Meier, which I have in my library, because it was sent directly to me by Wendelle Stevens (who, like Dr. James Deardorff, unfortunately believe Meier's claim of not only having met Jesus but actually being the incarnation of him). If you want to know truth, then you will objectively evaluate this piece of information. But if you only want to maintain the fantasy world of Mr. Meier, then you will either deny or believe this information, full while knowing that for most people it will be impossible to stomach. And that is why the poster keeps removing it. Because it is damming, but true and relevant information about Mr. Meir.
The above link provides a clarification that Meier says he is not the incarnation of Jesus. But it states repeatedly that Meier is the "great prophet of the new age" and the true prophet for "the entire terrestrial world". And it states on a common-sense level that Meier is the reincarnation of Jesus with these words, quoted from Meier's book "Om":
"And the son of man shall be in torment for a long time, and he shall be reborn in many lives as prophet; and he shall begin his mission on Earth as Enoch and return another time as Elijah, then as Isaiah, whom he shall follow as Jeremiah and Jmmanuel and then as Mohammed. And he shall be the prophet of the New Age, when the time of times will be ripe, and when his name shall say that he is the guardian of the treasure ..."
There is a piece of paper, claimed to be ancient, provided to Stevens by Meier that shows a list of prophets, Jmmanuel among them, that ends with Meier. Common sense tells us that something is amiss when you consider Meier's actual standing in the world, the content and meaning of his work, and the lack of true evidence (evidence not tampered with so many times by the "Men in Black"). Meier's writings are obscure, even to those involved in UFO research. His talking about "worldwide enemies" is a joke when you consider the handful of people who are interested in his work. In reality he has no impact on this world and his writings are of no consequence, and his story of being the only person on Earth being contacted by the Pleidians who are apparantly very heavily influencing our world falls flat when you expand your thinking to include common sense reality. His writings will be of little consequence in the future; Meier is only one of many people who have such writings and books, who claim exclusive contacts with enlightened ETs, and who claim to be the saviors of mankind. It is a common story. But for some it so gripping on a psychological level that they voluntarily suspend reason and insert themselves into Meier's fantasy bubble, and claim those that stand up for truth are only cynical and actually the enemies of truth. Yes, debunkers get it wrong more often than not, and they are often heavily biased. But in the Meier case they are more right than wrong. The proof is in Meier's importance and standing in the world, which amounts to nothing. True "prophets" had /real/ consequence in their times. Meier is nothing but a brilliant liar, but a liar he is, unfortunately. For those caught in his mind-web, common sense has no place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidacaruso ( talk • contribs) 17:09, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Jamesgtmoore ( talk) 00:04, 8 November 2008 (UTC) David, thanks for your verbose point-of-view, I enjoyed reading it.
I thought that the whole point of Wikipedia is to simply write the known facts only and to stay neutral at all times? So you are of the opinion that Meier is a hoaxer this is quite clear but you are wrong to be so biased on an encyclopedia. Biased articles is not what Wikipedia is all about, you know this surely. Therefore the subject of whether or not he is a hoaxer should include both sides of the story, be balanced, neutral or not be included at all since this would lead readers to come to false conclusions.
Your obviously negatively-biased opinion of Meier's claims is also irrelevant to the objective of Wikipedia. What is relevant are the facts about this man called Eduard Albert Meier, also known as Billy. Full stop. Facts must also have references in the world of Wikipedia and the paragraph on Meier's meeting with Jesus has no reference since the referred to source states different facts than what is stated in the paragraph in this article. Therefore your statement was not a truthful fact.
The paragraph therefore states a lie and so it should be removed. I will prove how it is not stating truthful facts if you read on.
The MESSAGE 2 book (Message from the Pleiades The Contact Notes of Billy Meier Volume 2) of which I also have a copy, says that Meier met Immanuel but on the following pages the spelling used changes to Jmmanuel (poor editing of the book perhaps?). So lets use Jmmanuel as the correct spelling on the name from now on. A more recently published book called the Talmud of Jmmanuel which is endorsed by Meier also proves the correct spelling is with a J.
For proof of the above facts in the above paragraphs please see screenshot of the relevant page in the book here. You can clearly see that it does not refer to meeting a man called Jesus Christ as per your paragraph. Ok yes most people of this world are not familiar with the name Jmmanuel but even so the truth should be stated in this article. There are no ifs and buts here when talking about facts. You don't say to your wife or girlfriend, "Today I had a chat with my manager, Bob" when he is actually called Fred do you?! State the facts please.
The truth is also that Meier claims to have gone back in time and met some guy called Jmmanuel, not Jesus. I'm not saying that its a proven fact that Meier went back in time and met Jmmanuel. I said that he claims...
It must also be stated that in the preface of MESSAGE 2 which the paragraph uses as a reference is the following text: "As with the first MESSAGE book, which we never intended to write either, we continued our translation effort and completed more of the original translations with all the translation problems we had experienced with the first volume. Eduard "Billy" Meier has not approved this volume either, and has asked us to desist in our efforts as this was not intended for anybody but his small group of friends". So there we are a fact that tells us we cannot rely on that book to truthfully and accurately represent Meier's claims. Please see screenshot of the book's preface here.
As for your sentence on the man called Jischi who Billy punched, the facts are that the MESSAGE 2 book states on page 505 that the man called Jitschi (not Jischi as you wrote) was punched by Meier after repeated warnings for cursing as Jitschi lost his mind after going back in time and then was told he was about to meet Jmmanuel! In this context it would be understandable for an average man of Earth "lose ones marbles" during such a trip.
Regardless of Billy's physical attack on Jitschi (or you could say "attempt to bring Jitschi to his sense") afterwards, his companion, the ET woman Asket (allegedly of the Timar human race from the DAL Universe) said to Meier, "You have treated right." (bad translation from German to English obviously) to mean that he deserved it and then a bit later on after Jitschi had recovered from his "wake up call" Jitschi said to Asket, "Let him go, I am guilty myself. He only did what he had to do. It was all right so, for I had really turned mad, and his hit was a good medicine. He brought me to my senses again. All was too much for me. I just don't bear it. Please excuse and be not angry about me." Again it's obvious the translation leaves something to be desired here.
Furthermore even Jmmanuel said to Meier, "My words are no reproach. You have done right, he was in need of this pain. He lost control over his senses.". Now don't you agree that now this all sounds like reasonable correctional behaviour towards a man gone mad? Reasonable given the context of the situation? Is this now an accurate portrayel of some of the events surrounding Billy's visit to Jmmanuel (AKA the real Jesus)? In my opinion, yes it does.
For proof please see the most relevant 2 pages from the book where Jitschi "loses his marbles" page 1, page 2.
And on a personal level from one human to another; regarding your belief in reincarnation, or lack thereof, this is something you need to come to terms with yourself. I only ask you to reconsider how you evaluate an extraordinary claim such as the claims of Mr Meier for your own human spirit's evolutionary benefit. If you think that Jesus Christ's existence is possible and that the events depicted in the Book of Revelations (or indeed any religious book) are possible then logically you must also think that Mr Meier could be a reincarnation of the real Jesus Christ, called Jmmanuel, otherwise you are illogical yourself since both subjects are as fantastic as each other from the laymans/average-Joe's point of view. The ability to prove either case is nigh on impossible in material terms. In these fantastic cases one must use logical thinking to dismiss the impossible and let the possible remain to be possible even though it may not be so probable according to ones belief system.
Sorry I took so long to respond.
Kind Regards
James
This article is ten times too long for a man whose only claim to fame is supposedly talking to aliens. It shoulds take no more than three small paragraphs at most to cover him. If no one can provide a a valid rationale I am going to pare this down. 71.108.139.195 ( talk) 23:37, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Nadie toma en cuenta, que el Sr. Meier, sometio a estudios cientificos, algunos metales, desconocidos en la tierra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.1.23.170 ( talk) 03:19, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
There apparently was an article about Talmud Jmmanuel, but it was deleted. It redirects to the Billy Meier article, which I don't appreciate at all as a researcher. And it is only mentioned in passing in this article, with one apparently-questionable citation. (I wish deleted articles would still be easily found – are they? – if one wanted to look at them.) Googling, I can't quickly find out information about this purported document. Questions like: Have scholars studied it? Is it ancient? If it is, should not an article about it be included, regardless of Billy Meier's supposed connection to it? Without an article, how can researchers easily determine its status as either a fake or a real document from antiquity? or a fake from antiquity? It seems like many Wikipedia editors are in the habit of deleting things that they find too incredible to believe. If an article has issues, fix it, but deleting it, if it's something notable – and such a find would be – is worse damage than having some articles around that aren't up to editor snuff. Maybe the snuff is the problem, LOL. Anyone know if I can still read a deleted article on Wikipedia, or if needed, elsewhere? Thanks! Misty MH ( talk) 01:15, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
I don't have the time nor inclination to listen to the Exposing Pseudoscience podcasts provided in the external links section, but if these are able to be accepted as good and valid sources they should be used as inline citations within the main body of the article where appropriate. Laval ( talk) 10:22, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Maybe it's been mentioned before, but there is no reason for this article to be using any primary or self-published sources considering that it seems there are more than enough secondary and tertiary sources, both pro and con, that can be used. Referencing the "contact reports" and other works of Meier is totally unnecessary. Laval ( talk) 10:27, 31 May 2015 (UTC) -I have removed the entire section.
This article is skewed toward an obvious hoaxer. There is plenty of evidence online that a large section of his photos were rip offs from other sources. http://www.billymeierufocase.com/dinosaurphotodeconstruction.html, http://www.billymeierufocase.com/asketdeconstruction.html. Also every photo has been reproduced http://www.billymeierufo.com/ All of this should be mentioned if the article is gong to be this long. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.47.212.54 ( talk) 22:52, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Stevens was a UFOlogist and Meier supporter. The "Metal samples" section should not be cited to such a WP:PROFRINGE source.- LuckyLouie ( talk) 22:38, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
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Last year this page was Neutral, showing boths aspects of Billy Meier Case. Currently it has been edited by extracting evidence in favor of the case and including a lot of evidence against him. So it has lost Neutrality. I think a controversy is very valuable, considering both sides. I uderstand it is difficult for some people to accept this case is real and it is good to keep the evidence that indicates this case is false. But it is also good idea to include evidence that indicates the case is real. I have been making scientific studies about the Case evidence, that has been opened for debate. I do not know why reference to my work was deleted a few months ago. I am a realiable source, and my work was peer reviewed by a scientist, Professor James Deardorff, and Matthew Wieczkiewicz, who worked as Engineer in the Space Shuttle program reviewed it. I am suggesting to include back information from Professor James Deardorff (RIP) and information about my investigations. Otherwise this page would be totally bias which is not what we want from Wikipedia.
Rhal zahi ( talk) 01:41, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
The following sources have been labelled as unreliable and self-published without merit. These sources neither claim the authenticity of the claims made by the person in topic, nor deny them. They simply state the scientific results of studies performed on the evidence available from the case. They do not promote 'UFO' as being real, but simply that the objects in the photographs were large objects photographs from a distance, which could have been models as well, as this possibility was never ruled out. The scientific and analysis reports are available in video and book format, signed by the individual scientists or analysts. These analysis took place without a doubt based on the following sources (including Television broadcasts from a well-known television network).
These sources include:
Kinder, Gary (1987-04-01). Light Years: An Investigation into the Extraterrestrial Experiences of Eduard Meier (First Edition edition ed.). New York, N.Y.: Atlantic Monthly Pr. ISBN 9780871131393.
The Billy Meier UFO Case-2 (1980-10-01), Billy Meier - Nippon TV UFO documentary (Japanese, 1980), retrieved 2017-04-03
Elders, Brit; Elders, Lee; Meier, Billy; Stevens, Wendelle (1987-03-01), Contact, retrieved 2017-04-03
Stevens, Wendelle; Elders, Lee (1988-01-01). UFO... Contact from the Pleiades, Volume 1. Phoenix, Ariz.: Genesis III Pub. ISBN 9780937850022. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.234.244.78 ( talk • contribs)
IMO, the article body badly needs a rewrite using independent sources to better comply with WP:FRINGE. For example, UFOlogist and Meier proponent Wendelle Stevens shouldn't be the source for anything, especially long breathless sections of fringe views regarding metal samples and sound recordings. The same goes for Meier fans Gary Kinder and Marcel Vogel (whose own article could do with some cleanup). Rather than a tabloid POV that focuses on presenting pro and con views regarding Meier's fantastic claims, photos and other "evidence", we would do well to adopt the more objective view reflected in high quality academic sources that take into account the religious and social aspects of Meier's beliefs and those of his followers.
Using higher quality sources also helps avoid the circular argumentation of SELFPUB proponent opinion followed by SELFPUB debunker opinion followed by SELFPUB proponent rebuttal, etc. Above are a few of the sources I've found so far that can support such needed rework. Feel free to add others that may be helpful. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 21:05, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
The original X Files Poster with a picture in Agent Mulder's Office of a U.F.O. was said to be one of Billies old U.F.O. pictures. The Show ran the original Poster as a Prop for 10 years but were then told Fox had been issued a Lawsuit regarding copyright of the picture. The X Files Show then altered the picture to avoid litigation. Johnwrd ( talk) 04:07, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
I live in Glasgow Scotland and would just like too share to the world that I seen something beautiful in the sky and believe me it has left me speechless xxx Padge19 ( talk) 01:38, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
[4] this diff. That source doesn't claim Billy is a reincarnation of Zarifou (sp) he's been adding it to his name (or something, it is unclear in the source). It also doesn't source the previous six prophets that Billy claims. The "TheyFly" blog is curated by his official English-speaking spokesperson. Self-published sources are reliable sources for self-made claims. The wording of the text puts the claim in his mouth, sourced from sites under his control. The book, makes a new claim, and doesn't cite anything else.
The book does look like a decent source to use for future article expansion. This article needs to explain how he is a religious cult leader of FIGU, not just a contactee with faked evidence. The book looks good for that, I'll try to acquire it. I'm not sure if it's publication actually makes it an RS, that has to be established. SchmuckyTheCat ( talk) 05:55, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
The first sentence of the article states that "Eduard Albert Meier (born February 3, 1937), commonly nicknamed "Billy" is the founder of a UFO religion." That Billy Meier founded a UFO religion is entirely incorrect. The "Freie Interessengemeinschaft für Grenz- und Geisteswissenschaften und Ufologiestudien" (FIGU) is simply an organization of like-minded people. with the interest of studying the Meier material of their own free will. The organization is not based on the belief in any god or deity nor is the worship of a being of any kind promoted. The information disseminated by FIGU is freely given with no strings attached. It is up to the individual to either accept the information provided by FIGU as true and correct or not.
An overview of FIGU can be accessed in a free booklet, "FIGU in a Nutshell," at https://creationaltruth.org/Library/FIGU-Booklets/Small-Booklets — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinpigford ( talk • contribs) 04:13, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
I must say that this page is a complete sham. First of all, where is the element of religion in FIGU? I have taken a good look at every definition of religion and found none. The acceptance of the existence of extraterrestrials does not define a person as a religious believer, neither does the study of writings from one particular source. There simply is not an element that permits the definition of FIGU as a religion! Next, there is this sentence “Meier has been widely characterized as a fraud by skeptics and ufologists”. As a reference to this, are given nothing more than cursory references to Meier. Glossary-type references, just to fill up the space and make this look like a real referenced article! Where is any real reference to how this conclusion was reached and by whom??? Where are the references to all the evidence supporting or weakening the case? They were here once, this was once an actual informative page before it was extensively stripped off content. It turns out that Wikipedia does not fulfill the role of presenting facts, unless we are talking of a real UFO religion like Raelism, for which extensive details are permitted. See the contradiction? FIGU, which does not define itself as a religion, is labeled as one, and the page of its founder is stripped off content because it’s “fringe”, while a self-declared UFO religion like Raelism is given ample space. It turns out that Wikipedia is not suitable for the neutral presentation of controversial facts! Raelism is given space because no attempts were ever made to legitimize the claims of its founder. If very extensive evidence is presented as it was and is the case with Meier, that’s too much for Wikipedia apparently. This page also completely fails to mention Meier’s role as an author. The German page is more balanced in this regard and mentions his extensive bibliography, but the fact that most of the books haven’t been translated to English yet is no excuse to completely omit this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGuerra ( talk • contribs) 09:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
I don't know why there has been recent edit warring [5] regarding photos of purported extraterrestrial women "Asket" and "Nera". The WP:FRIND sources cited don't support that these photos were "manipulated by forces unknown", or that there is any question that they are not images of performers from the Dean Martin Show. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 15:15, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
The first source actually contains the following text at the bottom of the page "Although it cannot necessarily be proven that Meier faked his photos and films". What more would you need to accept the sentence "manipulated by forces unknown" is a reasonable and balanced one to have here? - Jamesgtmoore ( talk) 15:24, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
-- Jamesgtmoore ( talk) 18:13, 13 September 2020 (UTC) Hi guys can you please restore the Wendelle Steven's paragraph that you deleted and use the following url as a reference? https://isbnsearch.org/isbn/9780960855827 Thanks!
This has reached the point where WP:COMPETENCE and WP:NOTHERE applies. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 23:13, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Taken up here. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 00:41, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
This page is completely slanted towards presenting Meier as a fake contactee and leader of a cult religion. It isn’t, or it shouldn’t be at least, in the spirit of Wikipedia to present articles in an opinionated form. That’s what happens here, through the selection of what is mentioned. This is a controversial case. It really is. Why present it as a “set” case in support of the allegations of its detractors? Why are those in support of the case not given a voice, not to speak of Meier himself? Why is Wikipedia shy of informing its readers about a case in which so much information is presented that it has a wiki of its own (futureofmankind.co.uk)? The answer seems to be bias, ignorance and prejudice. Very grave sins to be committed here, I would say. What is proclaimed as “high quality” sources are an absolute zero (even the detractors would agree with this), while the actual information from which the reader might be able to make up his/her mind is kept away as if it had the plague... — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGuerra ( talk • contribs) 21:46, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Re these kinds of edits claiming Meier's group is not a cult, not a religion, etc. On Wikipedia, we go by third party independent published sources. The higher quality the better. You could say we like academics and university presses the best. In this case, we have footnoted sources that unambiguously characterize Meier as a cult leader and FIGU as a UFO religion: "UFO Religion: Inside Flying Saucer Cults and Culture" by Gregory L. Reece..."Historical Dictionary of New Religious Movements" by George D. Chryssides..."The Encyclopedia of Cults, Sects, and New Religions" by James R. Lewis, and even a couple more. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 12:39, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
"Meier has been widely characterized as a fraud by skeptics and ufologists, who suggest that he used models to hoax photos claimed to show alien spacecraft.[3][4][5][6] Meier's prophecies repeatedly blame Jews (whom he refers to as "gypsies") for future atrocities.[7]"
These two sentences do not belong in a Wikipedia biographic article. These statements belong on their respective author's Wikipedia pages. Pacman3211 ( talk) 12:27, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Edward Gugenberger, Born in 1956, studied history and ethnology at the University of Vienna, has been involved in research projects since 1984, e.g. on the subject of esotericism and right-wing extremism and has published numerous articles and books., so the author *may* be an RS we could attribute for that particular opinion if a translation of the source could be reviewed. However per WEIGHT, it is better briefly mentioned in the article body, rather than highlighted in the lead. - - LuckyLouie ( talk) 15:10, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
NOT DONE: as per below, and no reliable sources provided.
Black Kite (talk)
13:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Email to Wikipeodia re: EDUARD (BILLY) MEIER -- Jan 24, 2022
I have been researching the Eduard Billy Meier Case in depth over a period of the last two years. I wish to inform you of the following facts regarding this Meier case, so that you can correct your information for your Web Page on him which, unfortunately and incorrectly, casts serious doubts on the legitimacy of Meier’s UFO experiences :-
Eduard Meier’s case was thoroughly investigated and authenticated by Lt. Col. Wendelle Stevens, who retired from the U.S. Air Force Air Technical Intelligence Center in 1963. Stevens was involved in in-depth investigation of UFO phenomena around the world, earning a reputation over 30 years at an international level as one of the top UFO investigators worldwide. Stevens was known for his scientific approach in hundreds of such cases. Stevens authenticated the Meier contact evidence in his books UFO Contact From The Pleiades – A Preliminary Investigation Report; and A Supplementary Investigation Report; Also his notes verifying this case can be found in the book, Message from the Pleiades that contains the Contact Notes evidence of Meier’s discussions with the Cosmonaut Semjase from The Pleiades; Stevens has also annotated the Photo-Journal UFO… Contact From the Pleiades, verifying Meier’s evidence. From my in-depth study of the above written material about this case which is in my possession, I also wish to inform you of the following information:-
On page 34 of the Photo-Journal UFO…Contact From The Pleiades there is a photograph taken on April 14, 1976 of a Swiss Fighter Plane making aerial combat manoevres around and against Pleiadian Cosmonaut Semjase’s Craft. Semjase eventually de-activated that Swiss Pilot’s weaponry system, and so he left the scene. Those particular photos of that event were put through laser and computer analysis, and were found to be genuine. Photographs of this analysis can be found in the book, UFO...Contact From The Pleiades.
Meier’s photographs of Semjase’s Space Craft have been found to be genuine, through computer analysis, as verified in The Movie, CONTACT, shown on You Tube — (The ‘Billy’ Eduard A. Meier Documentary of 1978). Meier’s contacts were also verified by Brit and Lee Elders and Thomas K. Welch of Intercep, an electronic counter-measure security firm. This last group worked as a research team with Meier and Stevens over a six year period, between 1976 and 1982.
From a detailed study of the material by Lt. Col. Wendelle C. Stevens, and the Elders and Welch Team of Intercep, it is evident that governments of a number of countries have investigated the 1970’s Meier interactions with the Pleiadian off-planet visitors, in depth.
As a result of government investigation, and after the publication of the Photo-journal of Meier’s experiences with the Pleiadians, UFO…Contact From The Pleiades, the British Government arranged a five-hour presentation of this material before the prestigious members of the House of Lords in London, England, on May 6, 1980, thus achieving a credible dimension of international acceptance. This outstanding event was followed by formal inquiries from other foreign countries for a qualitative exchange of this and other major UFO information and data. (For reference to this, see Elders, Welch and Stevens’ book, UFO – Contact From the Pleiades, Volume 1 (Genesis III Publishing, Munds Park, Ariz. Third Printing, Aug. 1991), page 71, in The Epilogue.
As a result of my above researched information, I suggest that the denigrating comments of Meier's ex-wife be completely removed from this site, as they are not accurate with regard to Meier's photographs of the space craft, and her comments are not accurate regarding the photograph of Asket herself. Asket's craft was seen by hundreds of witnesses at an Ashram in India, and Meier would have no reason to fake her photograph that he took of her, on his visit to the mothership in the 1970's. (Meier has been slandered by a number of sources).
The comments on this website concerning Meier's different reincarnations should also be removed, as they are inaccurate. Edgar Cayce has listed these same reincarnations as those of Jesus/Jmmanuel, and not of Eduard Meier.
Many attempts on Meier's life were made as a result of his experiences with the Pleiadians. His 35 visits and documented discussions with the Cosmonaut Pleiadian Semjase can be found in the book, Message From The Pleiades.
Over many years Meier also had the courage to arrange the translation from the Old Aramaic of the ancient 2,000 year old script, The Talmud of Jmmanuel, published by Wildflower Press, which is a true version of the life and teachings of Jesus/Jmmanuel, written by one of his disciples. These ancient scrolls were discovered by Meier in the 1960's.
Meier is to be congratulated for his bravery, instead of slandered. Wendy dutton ( talk) 19:12, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Eduard Albert Meier, commonly nicknamed "Billy", is the founder of a UFO religion called the "Freie Interessengemeinschaft für Grenz- und Geisteswissenschaften und Ufologiestudien" (Free Community of Interests for the Border and Spiritual Sciences and Ufological Studies) and alleged contactee whose UFO photographs are claimed to show alien spacecraft. Meier claims to be in regular contact with extraterrestrial beings he calls the Plejaren.[
- Meier claims to be in regular contact with extraterrestrial beings he calls the Plejaren - - Freie Interessengemeinschaft für Grenz- und Geisteswissenschaften und Ufologiestudien" (Free Community of Interests for the Border and Spiritual Sciences and Ufological Studies)
Meier claims to be in regular contact with extraterrestrial beings he calls the Plejaren.[2] He also presented other material during the 1970s such as metal samples, sound recordings and film footage. Meier claims to be the seventh reincarnation after six prophets common to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam: Enoch, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Immanuel (Jesus), and Mohammed.[3]
REMOVE THIS In 1997, Meier's ex-wife, Kalliope, told interviewers that his photos were of spaceship models he crafted with items like trash can lids, carpet tacks and other household objects,[19] and that the stories he told of his adventures with the aliens were similarly fictitious. She also said that photos of purported extraterrestrial women "Asket" and "Nera" were really photos of Michelle DellaFave and Susan Lund, members of the singing and dancing troupe The Golddiggers.[20] It was later confirmed that the women in the photographs were members of The Golddiggers performing on The Dean Martin Show.[2]
REASON: Billy Meier has only one arm, so he can't craft what his jealous ex-wife has said. She has also mental illness and falsified the facts by mixing extraterrestrials with Michelle DellaFave and Susan Lund. There is no photos of Extraterrestrials. JMetso7 ( talk) 13:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC) - Eduard Albert Meier, commonly nicknamed "Billy", is the founder of anti-religion called the "Freie Interessengemeinschaft Universell" which means Free Community of Interests Universal.
- He is still in contact with extraterrestrials - FIGU is an acronym for the German words "Freie Interessengemeinschaft Universell" which means Free Community of Interests Universal. - Meier says he is in regular contact with extraterrestrial beings he calls the Plejaren.[2] He also presented other material during the 1970s such as metal samples, sound recordings, and film footage. Meier has said he is the seventh reincarnation after six prophets common to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam: Enoch, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Immanuel (Jesus), and Mohammed.[3]
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Please include the intensive independent study by image processing pioneer 'Jim Dilettoso' in conjunction with an expert from IBM. This analysis concluded the "objects" in the photos were LARGE approx 30ft+ size and at considerable distance from camera, and were NOT photographs of small models.
I understand this flies in the face of the uber conservative bulbous egos of the Wikipedia editors, who happily reference a skeptics OPINION, but choose to omit actual published scientific data because it gives credence to a controversial subject that they've spent their lives dismissively mocking. 172.197.14.248 ( talk) 03:43, 19 August 2022 (UTC)