We are still editing and reediting the discography....this should remain on the talk page. --
Sojambi Pinola
06:38, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
We should be able to come up with a definitive list of commercially released albums and singles. Let's start with the headings.
Those should be in sentence case. Do folks agree on those headings? - Will Beback 08:31, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
The problem here is that you wrote something, a line that went unsingned, but on closer inspection was found to be added by you but attributed by you to someone esle. You then followed this by saying that you agreed with the line. Very unwiki of you. Wallawe
Actually yes they are, they have glued on tops, that when removed say CD-R. 216.244.3.79 17:56, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
What the anonymous user/Jonah is doing is not disagreeing. You are deleting large part of an article and calling this a difference of opinion. What you are doing is vandalism through and through. Perhaps we can get a member of the Arbitration Committee to mediate? I somehow don't think that they would sympathize with your side of things. My offer still stands, if you recuse yourself (including ALL your sockpuppets and IPs) from this article so will I. Marcuse 04:28, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
i absolutely agree to recuse myself including all sock puppets etc, mary hope is not a sock puppet. if oyu agree to let her take part here, I will recuse myself. Absolutely. 216.244.3.79 04:29, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Whatever. I'll recuse myself anyway. This is not worth my time. Later, Marcuse 04:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. This is a new guideline, endorsed & instigated by Jimbo. The intent is to keep Wikipedia out of legal jeopardy, as well as to be fair. I believe this is relevant reading, given some of the contentiousness of this article. Derex 17:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
This was left on my talk page:
For the record, my silence can be bought, but only for three years of my salary up front. And then I'd probably still find sneaky ways around it, like getting friends or indentured servants to do my bidding, or at least vote their conscience around here....which would make it a not very good deal, I suppose. Plus, anyone paying such sums would have to reveal their core identity, which may mean they would have to find it. All interested parties would also have to stop calling me at 1:40 am, and would certainly have to stop leaving death threats for the subject of the article (had they ever started such practices, of course). All told, my price is probably too high for the average joe. -- Sojambi Pinola 15:13, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but there is no career, jsut like there really isn't a tv writing career, he did both things for a half an hour, and Christgau reports he found him funny, that doesn't give him a comedy career. Jonah Ayers 20:01, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
If this guy puts a line in aboiut every review he digs up about rose, then we're sort of magnifiying the importance of Rose. Better to link it, and leave the piece as it is. If Sojambi had his way the article would be a 5 stars out of 5 review praising rose and ignoring any of the more mercurial aspects of his life. i think it's best to als okeep in mind that Rose's Academy Award winning former songwriting partner Paul Williams has a less actual sentences written about him in his entry, it's longer than the wki entry for one of rolling stone's 100 greatest guitar players of all time, Wayne Kramer, and is a bigger entry than one of the record labels he recorded for, Buddah Records. By allowing his entry to gain such size and space we're denigrating these other extremely important people and things... rose has a value, it's just not on the par of these others, and so curtailing the article to the size of his influence and the scope of his work seems to be the best way to handle this, instead of heaping lavish praise on the man, let's write a succinct and honest article. Jonah Ayers 01:24, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Archived material in the archive, the page grows and grows and grows, let's start some real discussions rather than ennervating attack, why don't we? Jonah Ayers 05:28, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Jonah, I will ask you again. Please do not archive this active discussion. There is actually a Wikipedia rule about this, I do believe; I will look for it. We are in a dispute. You are hiding evidence of a dispute.
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Sojambi Pinola
06:03, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
yeha you do that.. in the meantime i've left this part opened and unarchived. Jonah Ayers 06:11, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
that looks good to me!!! Jonah Ayers 06:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
yes, i'll fix the POV Jonah Ayers
done, actualyl quoted your old line, albeit in shorter form. ta ta Jonah Ayers
These new edits are obviously more work of the sockpuppets of the banned guy. You are using a bunch of names to avoid the 3RR. You are also citing an interview of mine, but taking a phrase out of context, and by doing so, changing its meaning. The original sentence you are citing goes:
It's fourteen songs played one right after the other, with these wild, violent piano improvisations in between them.
That is not the same as saying that the album has been described as a "violent piano improvisation." It is a misquote and does not belong in the article. -- Sojambi Pinola 05:23, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Ha. Ha. The point being...It's an album of songs mixed with improvisations. -- Sojambi Pinola 06:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
A clarification of record labels:
Roast Beef-downpatrecords (distributed by Pacific Arts)
Thee Messiah Album (LIve at Gatsby's)-downpatrecords (distributed by Pacific Arts)
The record company name is all one word and lower case. This is downpatercords name and copyrighted logo.
This page contains an unsourced images that will be removed tomorrow, I don't imagine that is the source of the controversy regarding this page but I wanted to let stakeholders know, in case there is any objection. The images are Image:Biffpress.jpg and Image:Biffpaint.jpg and have been tagged as no source for over 7 days. If anyone is aware of their source please change the tag to the appropriate one. Thanks. - cohesion★ talk 18:06, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Wow, this page unprotection is working out just great!! Again! lol. -- Sojambi Pinola 22:32, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
If you mean that your edits have been dictated by Biff Rose, and that some other people have views they can back up that differ strongly from his opinion of himself, well yes it's succesful You have been found, User:Sojambi Pinola to have written, or edited exactly how Biff Rose has desired, which is in essence writing autoiogrpahy, something which wikipedia strongly discourages. You should keep going this way, because the more outrageous of these I can put together, the more case I'll have against you... the rose message board posts that have included direct instructions form Rose to you about what to write on Wikipedia have been erased, but ... they were cached and saved before hand. Screenshots have been taken and another wikipedian is taking the info to the admins that do not police this board. Siobhan Mcnally
HAHA!
After more than a year, Biff Rose is still the site of heavy vandalism!! Is Steve_espinola — aka Bob — still the main character? — HopeSeekr of xMule ( Talk) 21:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
this isn't vandalism- it's editing. Biff Rose wrote a melody to song that feautred lyrics and music by Paul Williams, who graciously allowed Rose to have credit on the song. This is precisely why Wiki fails, because if a group of people decide to believe one version of a story, they band together and label any alternative version as false, including factually backed up events, by doing so, they- the dominant group- can mislead the world. Hence- Wikipedia is not allowed to be cited for official documents or for scholastic endeavors. This is because those who have been granted administratorship, like Will Be Back have differing levels of morality, and often abuse their power. Since the current model of Wiki has been in effect literally thousands of administrators have been bounced fro mtheir duties, another very telling detail about the process of wikipedia. It's important to note that Biff Rose has been called racist and anti semitic, and by viable sources. It is also important to note that Rose has disavowed every single one of the people he has worked with in the past, presenting all of them, from management to agent, to label head honchos in very unfavorable light on his website message board, and other times in his songs. To label anyone who tries to represent this information as a vandal is totally ridiculous. I'm not Jonah Ayers anymore than I'm Walter, labelled thusly by biff's mouthpiece on here, Steve, er Sojambi Pinola. I'm actually a resident of New Orleans who has served mr. rose a number of the drinks he's sucked down since the early 90's. It's time to actually allow the other side of the story to be presented. a quick look at Rose's websites and messageboard will present the details of his mercurial albeit infinitesimal career. my goodness. Willy B. Bach
Please check out the poems about Hitler and Bob Dylan and Zionism on Biffrose.biz and biffrose.net.
rose has been accused of Anti semitism numerous times due to postings found on his web presences. these are listed on the article. Online, Rose has been challenged by numerous writers, and editors about his angry anti semitic stance, and Rose has never once disavowed anti semtism, but answers with riddles. "I"m no jew, and jews know I'm the real deal. Beware." This is a quote from a 1999 interview with Denver writer Thom Murtle. Doing it again 06:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I keep a lot on file to keep you from wasting all our time... that's why I'm only calling you by your true name now, Biff. Biff, release your negativee intentions. Stop making up these lies. Stop offending the mentality of wikipedians everywhere. Above all else, stop being ANTI SEMITIC.
216.175.116.9
21:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
By allotting someone else my persona, Biff, you are really allowing this is what you do with the Sojambi persona. 216.175.116.9
You wrote : Dear Admins, If possible, it would be great to remove the following sentence: The music was written by Rose and the lyrics were written by Williams. and replace it with the more accurate: The lyrics were written by Rose and Williams, and the music was written by Rose. As I cannot supply a citation for this at present, removing the sentence altogether would work as well. Thank you. --Sojambi Pinola 05:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC) [edit]
and on biff's message board: they're not getting it right on the wiki wide world web. I need to get over there and change to how I see things going down... this is walter into wine... but Williams is more whine than rhyme.. I must change the flow...[ [7]]
For over a year and a half I have been harrassed by the editor formerly known as Willmcw, who now goes by the rather dubious sobriquet of Will beback. IT is the same person. HE's been involved in numerous spats with people online- some to be fair ae noble, but for the most part he hunts down and antagonizes anyone who does not agree with him. An article about someone who appears to be his father keeps disappearing from the online wikipedia. He then puts a block on whoever created it. This is clearly a design to keep information off of wikipedia. The article doens't mention his identity on here, I happen to be familiar enough with the facts to know, but I haven't spread the information. It has become clear that if willmcw/will beback disagrees with you he exhibits a strong force- one that goes against the rules of being a mediator on wikipedia, which he is- and tries to force the individual he hasa disagreement with off of the site. What's more, he curries favor with other individuals who also bend the rules at their every whim, so an alliance of sort is established. Kate0fan was one of these, and in her particular case she was forced off of wikipedia because of the disinformation she was forcing on others and the website, once it became clear that she was an actual journalist, and was in jeopardy of losing her job. SOjambi Pinola is another, he swears he is not the subject of the article Biff Rose, yet every time Biff Rose mentions his desires as to how the wiki article should read, this sojambi character then carries those instructions out. That is a sure case of sock puppetry. More important to that case, several bits of information are downright false, and other bits are erased, even though they have satisfactory documentation by wikipedia standards. It is known that Rose has been called an Anti Semite and a Racist by magazines ranging from Offbeat, to LA Alternative Weekly, to the SF weekly- though this last one minced words and did a string of double talk sentences so as not to most fully offend Rose. On Wikipedia, when these instances are cited, they are immediately withdrawn by a certain will beback, and the poster is blocked summarily, for a week or even for indefiinite periods, or Sojambi Pinola starts a revert war, for which he has yet to serve any blockage of time. Because some other people took the matter of Rose into their own hands, and wrote some unfavorable and also untrue things about Rose and a supposed arrest for sexual misconduct with a minor, anyone who disagrees with Rose and rose sockpuppet Sojambi Pinola are then accused of creating fallacies. This is how wikipedia runs now. Untruths, and undocumented bits of info are accepted if presented to the right bully. And citeable information is refused on the basis of being suspect, although it is not so. In the instance of Biff Rose, and a host of other articles this has been left to the devices of Willmcw/Will be back, KeteOfan, and someone known as Slimvirgin. These people have formed an alliance and supported each other in every battle the other has gotten into, and proposed each other for promotion to administration roles on the site. It is this most vicious sort of Nepotistic behavior that is clouding the very outlook of wikipedia, which deems to keep its good eye shut to this behavior. I imagine that even this posting will be erased by Wilmcw/Will beback. I will then repost it, and a circle will be established until finally willmcw/will beback will then block me from posting or editing for an indefinite period of time. This is most certainly harrassment. What's more, Willmcw/will beback then searches out any edits the people he dislikes, and manhandles them, or erases them regardless of their virtue. In some few cases he has been right to do so, but with most, he has simply turned editing into a more severe form of bullying anyone with a dissenting point of view. Case in point is the Fleetwood Mac articel where some soldi edits and rewrites were undertaken to clarify points. But because the name of the editor was that of someone Willmcw/will beback had already done battle with, he then erased all of the edits, reverting the article back to an almost unreadable an nonsnsical state. This has happened at a myriad of articles. It is a tragedy. Ivy Hezza 17:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)