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The article calls him Swami throughout this article. He is Swamy for his followers, not for the general public and Wikipedia. The tone is also promotional in nature.
Venkat TL (
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09:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Who? Bhaktivedanta Swami? That was his name: "Swami" was his name as a sannyasi, comparable to "Sridhar" in this article (though obviously the former didn't go by "Swami BV Swami", for obvious reasons). There are also Swami Goswamis -- for example, Bhakti Saranga Goswami, where the "Goswami" is his sannyasa name.
So far the title "Swami" is concerned, although this word is used generally for sannyasins, this "Swami" is my particular name as a sannyasi. Therefore, it must be suffixed at the end of my real name, A.C. Bhaktivedanta. So far the prefix "Swami" is concerned, every sannyasi has got to do that, but two ways "Swami" (Swami A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami) is not good looking. The end "Swami" is necessary because it is my sannyasa name.
What problems? What exactly do you want resolved here?
Sridhar is referred to as Sridhar throughout
The only use of "Swami" is to refer to Bhaktivedanta Swami (where Swami is his name, equivalent to Sridhar, with Bhaktivedanta equivalent to Bhakti-rakshak)
How is the tone promotional? Please be more specific and suggest changes where appropriate. I welcome constructive feedback but not
drive-by tagging
Well, I chose to use "Swami" when I wrote the article because "Prabhupada" is an honorific (meaning one at whose feet the masters sit). But if you want to use the honorific instead, be my guest.
Dāsānudāsa (
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11:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)reply
It does not matter what you or me prefer to call him. What matters is how reliable source not connected to this person are calling him. And I note they call him "Prabhupada" see
[1][2]Venkat TL (
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12:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Swami is an honorific when it's not part of someone's name. I.e. Swami Vivekananda, Swami Sivananada, Swami Yogananda, etc. As is explained in the article I linked above, "Swami" is the gentleman in question's sannyasa name, not an honorific. Used as an honorific, he'd be Swami (Bhaktivedanta) Swami.
I have done some light copy editing, but there are still issues relating to
WP:NPOV tone that need to be addressed. The Fan POV tag need to be restored and not removed until these are fixed. Eg. " provided spiritual guidance".
Venkat TL (
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12:27, 30 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Article title need to be corrected has honorifics
The title of this article violates
WP:HONORIFIC. Bhakti Rakshak is never a name, but a honorary title. I am curious to know what sources not connected to ISKCON call him? This source
[3] from the reference section calls him Sridhar Swami who changed his name and finally became Narayana Swami.
Venkat TL (
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13:20, 30 November 2021 (UTC)reply
It quite clearly says "B. R. Sridhara" in the article you have linked, though the author has got it slightly wrong: Gaudiya Math sannyasis have "Swami" before their name rather than after. There are no honorifics in this article title – if there were it would be called something like "Swami B. R. Sridhar" or "Srila Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar Dev-Goswami", to give him his full title.
The "Narayana Swami" mentioned is Bhaktivedanta Narayana, a completely different person who only died in 2010.
You can read about him here: Note the honorifics ("Srila", "Gosvami" and "Maharaja").
I'm curious as to why you're wading into this area (the names of Gaudiya Vaishnava sannyasis) when you clearly don't have any expertise here.
Dāsānudāsa (
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17:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)reply