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- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: moved in accord with consensus reached. Happy New Year to All! ( closed by page mover) Paine Ellsworth put'r there 17:29, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Pretty clear cut case of
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the film, and the song is a stub article without any sourcing. While neither are massively popular, the film gets a
considerably larger amount of page views. It can be reasonably inferred that many of the less than 100 people that visit the song's page in a day end up looking at the film page instead.
Sock
(tock talk)
16:25, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Seems to me the real primary topic is the lyrics from Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town. Film is certainly recently popular, but its name certainly comes from the lyrics. Wondering if we have any traffic evidence that people are typing in those lyrics looking for the Christmas song. -- Netoholic @ 16:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Wouldn't people be searching for
You Better Watch Out in that case? (The target of that could definitely use a hatnote or really, the redirect should be changed.) Looking back over
a range that includes two more Christmases, it's pretty clear it's the recent film that's driving traffic, not the song. —
Joeyconnick (
talk)
18:45, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- I think Santa Claus Is Coming to Town has been moved, so the pageviews have been disrupted. In ictu oculi ( talk) 19:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'd have to disagree
Netoholic, seeing as the addition of
Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town shows that its page views are
right in line with the film, but only during the Christams season. There are sharp declines on either side, while the film stays over 1000 daily page views at the very least. Highly unlikely anyone would think that lyric would be the title of the song, so I would think a hatnote on the film's page should be sufficient, or a link on a disambiguation page.
Sock
(
tocktalk) 18:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Wouldn't people be searching for
You Better Watch Out in that case? (The target of that could definitely use a hatnote or really, the redirect should be changed.) Looking back over
a range that includes two more Christmases, it's pretty clear it's the recent film that's driving traffic, not the song. —
Joeyconnick (
talk)
18:45, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose first, support second per
WP:RECENT, see also earlier film with the same name on
Better Watch Out (disambiguation), better with dab moved over base line.
In ictu oculi (
talk)
18:07, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- A subtitle of a film is not the same thing as the title of a film,
In ictu oculi. There is
Halloween H20: 20 Years Later,
Alive: 20 Years Later, and
A Man and a Woman: 20 Years Later, yet
Twenty Years Later is pretty clearly the main thing you would search for. The same goes here; a user would much sooner search for Silent Night Deadly Night 3 than just Better Watch Out if they were looking for that film.
Sock
(
tocktalk) 18:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- A subtitle of a film is not the same thing as the title of a film,
In ictu oculi. There is
Halloween H20: 20 Years Later,
Alive: 20 Years Later, and
A Man and a Woman: 20 Years Later, yet
Twenty Years Later is pretty clearly the main thing you would search for. The same goes here; a user would much sooner search for Silent Night Deadly Night 3 than just Better Watch Out if they were looking for that film.
Sock
(
- All the same, media products pass... I agree with @ Netoholic: so I'll stick with above thanks. In ictu oculi ( talk) 19:09, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Support as per the original proposal. — Joeyconnick ( talk) 18:45, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Opppose first, support second, also move Better Watch Out (disambiguation) to Better Watch Out per In ictu oculi. dab page preferable at primary because this phrase is used in several distinct instances. -- Netoholic @ 05:01, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Support both The film is clearly the primary topic, and has significantly large page views compared to the song, even when the song views could be inflated since readers looking for the film could end up in the song's page. And since other pages under the dab are either not exact title matches or less notable compared to the film. Let There Be Sunshine ( talk) 09:16, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- Support both You only need to look at the Metacritic page to see how many reliable sources this film has (~13) compared to the song (0). -- Mika1h ( talk) 00:38, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Support both per the links provided by Let There Be Sunsshine and Mika1h. ToThAc ( talk) 14:30, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.