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I notice that someone is trying to remove the fact that Benny Wenda was on trial for the killing of a police officer. This is reported in the Jakarta Post, one of Indonesia's leading newspapers, and what Wikipedia defines as a reliable source. Wikipedia operates on verifiablity. This, along with Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View is a core policy of Wikipedia, and cannot be ignored. Mostlyharmless ( talk) 00:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
You tell us about reliable sources and that The Jakarta Post is not one, yet you cite one opinion on a commercial blog/petition cite to verify the claim "widely argued". So, in your opinion, the most respected Indonesian newspaper is biased, but the website of Papuan secessionists is neutral? Do you understand the terms bias and point of view? --
Merbabu (
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11:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
"Neutral point of view" is one of Wikipedia's three core content policies. The other two are "Verifiability" and "No original research". Jointly, these policies determine the type and quality of material that is acceptable in Wikipedia articles. Because the policies are complementary, they should not be interpreted in isolation from one another, and editors should familiarize themselves with all three. The principles upon which these policies are based cannot be superseded by other policies or guidelines, or by editors' consensus
I'm watching this page, and any attempts to remove reliably sourced information will be reverted. Please familiarise yourself with Wikipedia policy - this place has rules which have evolved for good reason. Mostlyharmless ( talk) 03:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
As I tried in vain to explain to Merbabu, the facts behind the trial of Benny Wenda have always been widely disputed. Benny Wenda maintains that he was actually arrested following a peaceful flagraising ceremony, and that the other charges against him were fabricated and added when he stood trial. I have included primary sources from a British national newspaper (The Guardian), which supports the claim that Wenda was imprisoned for his support of the independence movement. No mention is made of any alleged attack in any of the international press. Read into this what you will. I can find no other 'primary source' that supports the Jakarta Posts claim, and would ask that these allegations are therefore removed or due reference is made to this fact. I appreciate it is important that Wikipedia takes a NPV, and would apppreciate it if the editors would not allow potentially factually incorrect information to appear on wikipedia which could be deemed to discredit individuals in political positions. Such attempts could be deemed as defammatory or libellous. Zevion ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC).
Can I add that I too am concerned about people trying to use this page for propaganda purposes. Why are persons trying to hide the fact that Benny Wenda was put on trial for organising a violent attack, this verifyable fact. You can check both Indonesian and non-Indonesian sources for this. (Eg for Indonesian sources the Jakarta Post and Antara.... for other sources King, Peter West Papua and Indonesia after Suharto pg 64 2004 or Amnesty international website. The guardian article rather disingeniously used as a source in this article is written in 2009 and is a music review and thus hardly a reputable news source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seumas86 ( talk • contribs) 04:46, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
I have provided two extra sources that neither could be construed as Pro-Indonesian. On another matter I have removed the term political asylum and replaced it with asylum. Political asylum is a technical term and is hardly ever actually practised in refugee law. Until someone can cite a source for political asylum I suggest asylum be used. —Preceding
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07:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Seumas86, the Radio New Zealand source that you have added is actually directly copied from the Jakarta Post article and makes reference to this in the 2nd paragraph. The Peter King ref is a dead link. Please provide a valid weblink. You mention in an earlier posting that you have sources from Amnesty International website. Please provide these and they would be deemed NPV.
The reason why I am making issue, is that the only source you seem able to provide so far is the Jakarta Post and a Radio New Zealand web story that is copied directly from the Jakarta Post! The reliability of this source is highly questionable as it contains other factually incorrect information stating that Benny Wenda is the brother of OPM leader Matthias Wenda.
Also, your reason for removing 'political asylum' is wholly invalid. It is a widely used term in immigration and asylum cases (of which you obviously have no experience), and was the very reason that he was granted asylum. Please see this source from the United States
http://immigration.lawyers.com/Political-Asylum.html
Wikipedia also has an article pertaining to it use
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_asylum
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Zevion
I forgot to add if anyone wants to know the difference between political asylum and territorial asylum you may want to read this http://www.sisr.net/publications/05neumann.pdf -- Seumas86
Sorry, but it doesnt matter what articles you care to produce as they are entirely irrelevant to Benny Wenda's asylum claim which are entirely based on seeking protection for fear of persecution on political grounds. This was therefore recognised as political asylum. I have added a number of sources confirming Benny Wenda's status as 'political asylum'. Feel free to search on google and you will find many many more. Zevion
Have changed region name to West Papua. Here is a link to a Jakarta Post article referring to the region as West Papua. It is never referred to as 'Western New Guinea'. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/01/04/yudhoyono-sends-ministers-west-papua.html Here are three other independent sources which confirm that the region should be referred to as West Papua: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/people/features/ihavearightto/four_b/casestudy_art27.shtml http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/bows-arrows-and-a-dream-of-liberation-1771884.html http://www.etan.org/news/2009/04papua.htm It should also be noted that the international political lobby group is called 'International Parliamentarians for West Papua', not 'International Parliamentarians for Western New Guinea' Zevion —Preceding undated comment added 00:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC).
As per Wikipedia: Biographies of Living Persons, I've removed some unsourced information. If a reliable source can be found for it, it can be put back in, but until then should stay out. Mostlyharmless ( talk) 00:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Please use them. thanks. -- Merbabu ( talk) 15:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Since 2009 an unresolved dispute has existed on the page Benny Wenda. Wenda is a leader of the West Papuan independence movement, and as such is a controversial figure. He was arrested for his alleged involvement in a fatal attack on a police station, and subsequently has been issued with an Interpol warrant for his arrest.
This RFC is to ensure that relevant information that is presented factually and neutrally and is clearly verified in reliable sources is not removed from the article.
I have not talked to other editors in this case (plenty of discussion has occured before this RFC), because the article is subject to revert wars. Rather than have those occur again, I've launched this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mostlyharmless ( talk • contribs) 10:36, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
It should be noted that in August 2012, Interpol removed the 'red notice' issued against Benny Wenda by the Indonesian Government (for alleged involvement in a fatal attack). This came about after Interpol conducted an investigation and concluded that the case against Mr Wenda was politically motivated.
Here are a couple of news articles confirming this: BBC News - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19149678 Daily Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/9458223/Benny-Wenda-removed-from-Interpol-wanted-list.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zevion ( talk • contribs) 00:07, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
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Is there a listing of various claims Mr Wenda has made, that he'd presented a petition of millions of signatures to a UN committee, that the [Scottish Parliament had passed a motion [ [1]] supporting his independence movement, that he has been repeatedly nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, and the like? 114.78.14.21 ( talk) 13:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)