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Split again to Bellfounding and xxx
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The making of church bells or musical handbells by casting has absolutely nothing to do with the process of making the open end (bell) of a trumpet of trombone by metal beating. This should always have been two articles, disambiguated against each other. They should not heve been merged. I propose a split into Bellfounding and something else whose name I do not know which is the specific name for making brass instrument ends. I have never heard the term bellmaking. Perhaps someone could advise?
OosoomTalk to me19:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)reply
The merge to bellmaking was a
quick one (3 days), this was possibly because the
original author performed the move. That aside, if you have knowledge on the subject that will expand the article, and if that means demerging, then by all means do so. When the wikiproject originally classified bellmaking as an occupation it would have been a quick decision (it's certainly not my field) and may have been based more on an inclusion policy than otherwise. We were primarily aiming to add some structure, to help in finding misnamed or hidden articles, so that they could be expanded rather than duplicated, as was occuring previously.
I agree that it seems to be more a
technique than an occupation. It would also seem that bellfounding would be listed under the
casting links? Unfortunately I can't help with the correct term for instrument end making, a quick run through
Category:Brass instruments didn't help either.
While hardly definative, Google returns 36900000 hits for bell making while it only returns 5670000 hits for bell founding. I'll look at what
Theophilus says on the subject when I get home
Patris Magnus20:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)reply
My impression from searching Google is that bellfounding returns items on casting bells, whereas bellmaking generally returns items possibly translated into english, or about bells in non-english speaking countries, or extracts/forks from Wikepedia:Bellmaking.
OosoomTalk to me13:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)reply
Alright, it seems to me that this problem has been stretched out rather unproductively for years. I was going to re-post this on the
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Metalworking page, but I figure that really would be making this
Somebody Else's Problem. Instead I'm going to
be bold and carry out the following: un-merge the two subjects of this article- by moving the information on casting bells back to '
Bellfounding' and by moving the information on brass instruments to '
Brass instrument construction'. This seems like an appropriate and logical title, and would begin to fill some of the gaps Wikipedia has on the subject of instrument construction; a topic that currently has only a small mention on
musical instrument and on some individual instrument pages. The title is also in keeping with
Category:String instrument construction, though there is no proper article page on the subject. I will also make '
Bellmaking', into a disambiguation page from which the other two articles will be accessible. This should cover all bases, and will at least resolve this long overdue split. -
France3470 (
talk)
13:40, 22 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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