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... that a number of Irish early medieval bell shrines were buried in bogs or rivers to avoid
Viking raiders? Source: * Bourke, Cormac. "Bell-Shrines". In:
Moss, Rachel, Medieval c. 400—c. 1600: Art and Architecture of Ireland. London: Yale University Press, 2014.
ISBN978-0-3001-7919-4
This is good to go just pending the QPQ being finished. I like the hook, really interesting especially from a historical perspective. Article's new and long enough. Hook is cited and in line with requirements. Just need to do the QPQ and it'll be good. Good job!
Soulbust (
talk)
02:40, 29 October 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Ceoil: the article only says "presumably they were hidden", but the hook states this as established fact. Also, the sentence in the article that states the hook fact needs a citation right there, not at the end of the paragraph per
WP:DYKCRIT#Cited hook. --
RoySmith(talk)15:53, 1 December 2022 (UTC)reply
ALT1 ... that it is thought that a number of early medieval Irish bell shrines were deposited in bogs or rivers to avoid
Viking raiders? Source: * Bourke, Cormac. "Bell-Shrines". In:
Moss, Rachel, Medieval c. 400—c. 1600: Art and Architecture of Ireland. London: Yale University Press, 2014.
ISBN978-0-3001-7919-4
Johnbod,
Ceoil, I'd go with "hidden" over "deposited"; "avoid" is also an odd locution; why not "save them from"? Finally, the Viking sentence in the article is not sourced to the Bourke 2014 in the article, and needs to be (including page number) if this hook, or a variant thereof, is to be used, as RoySmith notes above. Thanks.
BlueMoonset (
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01:53, 26 December 2022 (UTC)reply
ALT2 ... that it is thought that a number of early medieval Irish bell shrines were hidden in bogs or church walls to save them from
Viking raiders? Source: * Bourke, Cormac (2014). "Bell-Shrines". In Moss, Rachel (ed.). Medieval c. 400—c. 1600: Art and Architecture of Ireland. London: Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-3001-7919-4. p. 305.
I have to AGF on the source for ALT2 as it is offline. I actually prefer other images which are in the article, but will use the approved in the prep.
"presumably after they were hidden during the Viking and later Anglo-Norman invasions of Ireland"
@
Ceoil: I'm just curious about the use of "presumably" here - what does the source say exactly? If it's Bourke who presumes, it would be preferable to state that. I'm always a bit wary about DYK hooks that say "is is thought that", without definite attribution in the text, because they run close to
WP:WEASEL. Cheers —
Amakuru (
talk)
10:57, 9 January 2023 (UTC)reply