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The Karkin absolutely spoke an Ohlonean language, not a Miwok language. Arroyo de la Cuesta got a vocabulary in the late 1700's.
See the following: Beeler, M., 1961, Northern Costanoan, International Journal of American Linguistics, 27: 191-197. Callaghan, Catherine, 1988. Karkin Revisited. IJAL 54: 436-452. Levy, Richard. 1978. Costanoan. Handbook of North American Indians, Vol. 8: California. 485-495. Levy, Richard. 1978. Eastern Miwok. Handbook of North American Indians, Vol. 8: California. 398-413.
--Anonymous, 9/20/06
Karkin has moved to "Ohlone" as a tribe I am glad sources exist to clarify their cultural backgroud. No need to be anonymous these look like good sources thanks for the help. Goldenrowley 16:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
The correct publication date for Kroeber's Handbook is 1925. A "References" entry should cite a book or article, not a specific page. On the other hand, in the Notes entry, a direct quotation requires specification of the page it comes from. RhymeNotStutter 22:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC) -->It appears you are very right on the year of publication and the online link is probably just labelled the year incorrectly. I'll fix all refs. Kroeber, Alfred Louis. - Handbook of the Indians of California / by A.L. Kroeber. - Washington: Smithsonian Institution Bureau of American Ethnology, 1925. - XVIII, 995 p.: ill.; 24 cm. - (Bulletin / Smithsonian Institution, Bureau of American Ethnology; 78) Goldenrowley 00:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
We allege presently there is hardly any myths from this group surviving. However we link to this article which says the opposite: Eastern Miwok traditional narratives says "The record of Eastern Miwok oral literature is one of the most extensive in the state." This should be made consistent. Goldenrowley ( talk) 06:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Goldenrowley, Thanks for editing my bad typing. Even when I do good, I need that kind of help. Middle Fork ( talk) 00:42, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
To Interested Editors. I have had my doubts about the quality of a couple of references currently in this article, but did not have access to them, as they are the kind of thing that would be in the Contra Costa County library in Pleasant Hill, far from my home in Davis. I asked a friend, who is a Bay Area ethnohistorian, to find a way to check them out. Here is is response:
Anderson: "Mini-History meets none of the [Wikipedia] criteria. No sources are given, except for Bennyhoff's map and Handbook of N. American Indians, vol 8. Almost entirely obsolete ... I noted multiple quotes to illustrate misinformation, if you need them."
Tullis: "Diablo's Children is surprisingly good, considering its 1978 vintage. She did quite a thorough survey of sources available to that time, per her bibliography. Not Scholarly. It is well written and edited and would make an excellent 4th grade resource for teachers......if it were up-dated to reflect the last 30 years of research."
Here is what I propose, given that neither of the two references supports a "note." Lets completely strike Anderson. Then, lets move Tullis out of references and into a "Further Reading" segment. If I do not hear back in a couple of days, I will carry out these two recommendations. Middle Fork ( talk) 20:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
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