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Siege of Singara (344) →
Battle of Singara (344) – I have deeply reworded this article and improved its sources and neutralized its tone recently (the article was almost exclusively sourced with outdated 19th century sources and had a pro-Persian biased tone), thus, the cited sources in the article are all referring to a battle fought near Singara between the Sasanian and Roman forces, there is no mention of one of these Empire besieging Singara in 344. ---Wikaviani (talk)(contribs)11:00, 21 June 2019 (UTC)reply
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Kansas Bear and
LouisAragon: Gentlemen, i was not able to find reliable sources explicitly supporting a Roman victory (the ones provided by IP were not, in my humble opinion, convenient for that), if you have sources that support a Roman victory, then please correct the outcome of the battle. Hope this message will find both of you guys safe and sound. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk)(contribs)23:00, 14 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Syvanne and Harrel are reliable sources, however, as I had shown in my re-write of
Perso-Roman wars of 337–361(which has now been removed), the battle of Singara was recorded with three different years(Not even the date of this, the biggest confrontation between Constantius and Shapur, is certain, with 343, 344, and 348 all mentioned, Crawford, p55). Barnes gives two battles one in 343, and one in 348.(Barnes,163-164) Even the circumstances of the battles are different:
1.Syvanne states the Romans won at Singara/Alaina(note she uses Alaina, the only historian to do so).(Syvanne, 314-315)
2.Barnes states the 348 battle at Singara, was at night and was a Roman victory.(Barnes, 164)
3.During the night the larger part of the Sasanid army, which had been held back by Shapur as a reserve, emerged unexpectedly from behind the overlooking heights, and routed the Romans.(Crawford, 56)
4.The analysis of the sources from the point of view of the “classical theory of war” elaborated by C. Clausewitz, unambiguously demonstrates that the winning side in this (night) battle were the Persians.(Dmitriev)
FYI, user:LuciusHistoricus, who has removed all the notes concerning the battle of Singara from
Perso-Roman wars of 337–361, is most likely user:Refoelp. If you need information concerning this editor's mindset, read
this.
Anyway, I feel that all viewpoints should be represented. Considering that some historian say the Romans won, and some say the Sasanids won, it may point us in the direction that there was more than one battle. --
Kansas Bear (
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01:30, 15 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Ah, ok. Well, I will see what I can do. I restored the information(notes) on the article
Perso-Roman wars of 337–361, concerning the battle of Singara. Removed the over detailed information about the battle at Singara, since the article is about the war as a whole between Constantius and Shapur. --
Kansas Bear (
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02:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)reply