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Did you know... that at the Battle of La Haye-du-Puits in July 1944, a Confederate flag dating to the American Civil War was raised over the town?
I don't work very fast. My method of working is to add a paragraph each day. The article will take shape slowly. Unfortunately, I do not have the same references as you on hand, but am making a start with the ones I do have. We can work around each other. I'm a little unsure about the American strategy: was it to create a breakthrough, or an advance to secure a start line for one?
Hawkeye7(discuss)20:58, 5 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Very much the latter. Ideally they wanted to jump off from the St-Lo - Coutances road (in their dreams) and this battle was a step towards that and to giving their lodgement depth - for security and to allow room for airfields and for reinforcement and logistics build up.
"Scheduled for 1 July, the attack was designed to push the Germans out of Normandy and to open the way for American operations into Brittany." (Doubler, p. 19)
Hawkeye7(discuss)22:00, 5 June 2021 (UTC)reply
No worries, I have plenty on my self. I tend to work in spasms. Sources - as you say, hopefully we can provide each others missing links. I will be off line from Sunday evening UTC until probably Friday.
Gog the Mild (
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21:14, 5 June 2021 (UTC)reply
I think I'm starting to make progress on this. What made you want to write about this? The Americans don't seem very interested in it at all.
Hawkeye7(discuss)21:57, 7 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Okay, that's it from me. All yours now. A good start would be to write a lead. I'm terrible at those. This is the first muddy boots article I've worked on since
Landing on Long Island. For a while I used to work with Rupert, who wrote the tactical part of the article while I handled the strategy and logistics.
Hawkeye7(discuss)02:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Hawkeye7, goodness, you seem to have done a bit more than the suggested paragraph a day. And apologies for suggesting a collaboration and then going AWOL for a week. I shall pitch in now and exhaust my sources, and then we can see where we are. Many thanks for the vast amount of information already added.
Gog the Mild (
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17:00, 15 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Cherbourg fell on 27 June, as my 1999 Hastings states on p. 195. Cap de la Hague fell on 1 July. Could you check that Hastings 2006 p. 165 cite? I have made a few other tweaks for flow and will probably make more. Obviously shout about anything you are unhappy with.
Gog the Mild (
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20:41, 15 June 2021 (UTC)reply
That is correct in that the Cherbourg commander (Schlieben) surrendered on 26 July. Cherbourg possibly "fell" on the 27th after several isolated garrisons surrendered. Although heavy fighting, including naval support, continued against diehards in the harbour forts until 19:00 on the 28th.
Gog the Mild (
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10:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)reply
"With the surrender of General Schlieben on 26 June and of his deputy, General Sattler, the following day, all organized resistance in Cherbourg ceased. The primary objective of First Army in the assault phase of OVERLORD had been achieved. But this was not the end. Cherbourg had fallen, but some fighting continued. General Schlieben had surrendered, but some 6,000 of his men remained to fight on in the Cap de la Hague." Go with 27 June? You already mention the Cap de la Hague.
Hawkeye7(discuss)10:48, 16 June 2021 (UTC)reply
We may be getting a little over detailed here. How about:
Cherbourg fell on 27 June, after the surrender of General Schlieben on 26 June and of his deputy, General Sattler, the following day. The primary objective of First Army in the assault phase of OVERLORD had been achieved. Organized German resistance in the northern Cotentin Peninsula ended on 1 July, when the 9th Infantry Division managed to reduce the defenses of Cap de la Hague, north-west of the port.
Successive Anglo-Canadian offensives failed to take Caen, but they kept the best of the German forces in Normandy, including most of the armor, in this area.[5] With no ports in Allied hands, all reinforcements and supplies came over the beaches or via two
artificial harbors.[6] On 19 June, a strong storm descended on the
English Channel that lasted for three days and caused significant delays to the Allied build-up.[7] In the west, attacks to the south were halted by Bradley before the town of
Saint-Lô in order to concentrate on the
seizure of Cherbourg.[8][9] Cherbourg fell on 27 June,[10] and organized German resistance in the northern
Cotentin Peninsula ended on 1 July.[11]
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Clarity
"The main body of the 505th Parachute Infantry reached the northern and eastern slopes of Hill 131 by mid-morning, and they were captured for the loss of 4 paratroopers dead, 25 wounded and 5 missing; 146 prisoners were taken."
This sentence reads as if the 505th have been captured, which doesn't fit the context of the rest of the section. Do we need to clarify who "they" is referring to here?
From Hill To Shore (
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01:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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... that in the Battle of La Haye-du-Puits, an American Confederate flag was raised over the town on 8 July 1944? Source:
[1], p. 35; "It was in the La Haye du Puits that Lieutenant Arch B. Hoge, Jr., of Tennessee, raised the same small Confederate flag which had been raised by his uncle over a village in France in World War I, and which had been raised by his grandfather over a town in the United States during the Civil War."
This article is not
WP:DYKNEW enough. I see that it is currently nominated for GAN, so if that nomination is successful, then this article will be eligible for DYK for 7 days after that nomination is successfully concluded.Dugan Murphy (
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00:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
That it was created in the userspace and moved to the mainspace on 10 March 2024.
[2]WP:DYKNEW: For DYK purposes, an article is considered new if, within the last seven days, the article has been created in mainspace from a redlink or redirect; expanded at least fivefold in terms of its prose portion; promoted to good article status; moved from userspace or draftspace into mainspace;
Ah, thank you for making that clear. I didn't realize an article moved from userspace to mainspace would show its userspace edit history. Since it is now clear to me that the article is new enough, I will complete this nomination review shortly.
Dugan Murphy (
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14:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: This doesn't hold back the nomination, but I couldn't access Ruppenthal 1951 with the link provided in the sources. I recommend you check on that.
Dugan Murphy (
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17:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)reply
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
"the commander of the German 353rd Infantry Division [de]." - I'd drop the interwiki link here; our article actually has more content than the German one
" During the day, the 90th Infantry Division had advanced about 1,200 yards (1,100 m) at a cost of around 600 casualties,[58]" - this ends the paragraph. Is something missing on the end of this, or should the comma be a period?
"First Lieutenant Arch B. Hoge Jr. raised a Confederate flag that his father had carried in World War I and his grandfather had carried in the American Civil War over the town" - source mentions his uncle in WWI, not his father
" and both the company commander and the [75] Company K withdrew under cover of darkness." - I can't tell if this is missing a word or has a bonus "the"
On 10 July, the assistant division commander, Brigadier General Nelson M. Walker, was killed while trying to organise an infantry battalion for an attack is very closely paraphrased to the source text of the energetic assistant division commander, Brig. Gen. Nelson M. Walker, was killed as he attempted to organize an infantry battalion for an attack This is okay because the source is PD, but it still isn't great
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