Please use wording like "the player does such and such" rather than "you do this and that" for a more encyclopaedic style. Tim! ( talk) 18:31, 18 January 2006 (UTC) tra lalala tra lalala
I removed the style cleanup template as I think it's now in a proper style. - Gaiacarra 10:42, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
As noted in the edit history, this article looks like a trainwreck. All the "you"s, jokey fanboy writing, and so on and so forth. I don't know anything about this game so there's not much I can do beyond a simple lead section cleanup, and the excision of a portion - addressed directly to the reader from an editor - that definitely does not belong in the article (now that I think about it, making it a hidden message might have been better than deleting it).
Anyway, like I said I don't know anything about this game (and thus don't know what's up plot and detail-wise), so would someone who does mind taking a crack at cleaning it up? - DoubleCross 04:35, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe the "editor to reader" section you were referring to was mine (assuming it was the "List of Known Magnus"). While I was aware that such is frowned upon, I felt it necessary because, like it said, compiling the list of magnus was going to be a lot of work, and I didn't really want it to be deleted without knowing why. Andrew Rodland was kind enough to explain to me the reasons why I shouldn't do it (at least in the main article) and I appreciate that. I'm not exactly experienced at Wikipedia, so I'm sorry if I have done anything unacceptable. -- OFX 15:36, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I had been working on some of the section clean up beforehand, and I had tried to organize things a bit more. I wouldn't say the article is horrendous, it just needs to have the "you"s taken out and it needs some better direction. What do you think should be cleaned besides the Magnus stuff? - ivysaur12
This page still has a lot of good info, so I agree it would definitely be a waste to purge it entirely. Rather than that, I think BK fans should post around blogs/forums and try to get a big cleanup project started on this article, as well as adding some content, since it would be hard to go through and clean up the whole thing by oneself.
Added an image.
03-21-06
Cleaned up the Summary a bit.
I added a notice for cleanup.
I'm not 100% positive, but I thought at the end of the game (during Gibari's fishing side-quest) Kalas says that he's 19 years old, not 18. I may be mistaken however. -gr4yJ4Y
Are you sure that a Baten Kaitos song was in a subway commerical? I have a hard time believing that... maybe it just sounded like one?
I think it has something to do with the fact that a lot of the songs use samples that are either publicly available, or available for purchase. I've heard the vocal part of one of the songs in at least two completely unrelated works, and the music from the haunted library in some Asian drama. AustinZ 05:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I haven't checked in on this article for a while, and now looking back I'm a bit frightened by the size of it. I don't suppose it would be a good idea to break the article up into a series of smaller articles? Like a main page hub and several separate sections for characters, locations, story, etc? KojieroSaske 06:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be helpful to include a few instances of common criticisms, as well as strong points to balance it out. Kennard2 06:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I just changed the article to state that EWatLO was the second game in the series because Baten Kaitos Origins is set before it storyline-wise.
Link9er 14:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah, good point. Didn't notice there wasn't any mention of this game being set before Baten Kaitos Origins. Wolf ODonnell 13:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Savyna's IS the biological daughter of Shanath, she wasn't an orphan, it was clearly stated in the game that Shanath wanted revenge on Olgan because of something to do with her daughter, Savyna. I think. But he did clearly state that Savyna was his daughter.
I think is just a big mistake to mix the information from the two games. If someone wants to look for details about Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean and he hasn't played Baten Kaitos Origins, he can't do it without spoiling some parts of BKO.
I suggest to eliminate BKO references in BK: EWatLO article, and viceversa, and make a global new article called "The Universe of Baten Kaitos" or something like that.
Of course, I don't want to make the change without anyone's opinion, is a very big decision. But just think on the people who has played only one of the two games and want to seek more detailed information from it without being spoiled the other game.
What do you think?
84.121.235.105 01:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I Think your right, I've thought of this as well and found the mixing of information quite disheartening to say the least. I support your point.
Ryonslaught
19:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I also support the separation. I almost got spoiled pretty badly.-- Sailor Titan 17:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Not only is it a complete mess it also has very little to do with the games development. it seems to be a cross between a gameplay section a section for themes found in the game and some out and out gushing over the thing (and I'm a huge fan of the game so that can be saying a bit). Really I think someone needs to at least take a weedwacker to it and then maybe rebuild it from there. Pwright329 ( talk) 02:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I made some major changes to the article. The previous development section was all about the gameplay and didn't even mention the development so I moved it to a new gameplay section. I put the magnus section just after the gamplay as it's pretty much part of it. Now it needs an actual development section. It might be better to move the Synopsys to before the gameplay because the Gameplay+Magnus sections take so much space the plot is halfway down the page. If you don't like what I've done you can change it but please don't make the development section like it used to be! The article needs more about batlle. 91.105.79.22 ( talk) 13:16, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Now that it's looking like there's a serious chance of there being more Baten Kaitos, perhaps we should consider making a hub page for Baten Kaitos, similar to Grandia or Final Fantasy?-- Sailor Titan ( talk) 02:03, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I think this is a very good idea. The page could focus more on the BK universe and shared similarities between both games. —Preceding
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What happened to the list of characetrs page for this game? I know we were trying to not go as in depth as before but it does seem excessive to remove the page in favor of a very brief desciption of only those deemed "important" to the over all story....
anyway sorry to rant, I have'nt edited or add anything in a while so sorry if this is old news. All BK fans however are asked to contribute in intricate detail over at http://batenkaitos.wikia.com/wiki/Baten_Kaitos_Wiki
thanks Ryonslaught ( talk) 16:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
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Discussion moved to Talk:Baten Kaitos. Skyerise ( talk) 03:53, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
I've analyzed the situation with the dab page at Talk:Baten Kaitos, and the consensus is actually for the dab page, 4 to 1, or if you count an IP opinion, 5 to 1. Sergecross73 has always been the one and only editor to oppose it. Skyerise ( talk) 01:54, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Skyerise: For the purposes of redirects page views are more important. The relevant question is "what page are people probably looking for". HighInBC Need help? Just ask. 03:32, 2 July 2021 (UTC)