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If you intend to promote it to FA, I have saved you trouble. Besides, it's more complete.
If recorded is cited below doesn't need a reference here.
Since Barely Real has a somewhat confusing recording history, a lot of what appeared on the original album did not get included in the recording session. I feel like it would be shoe-horned into the article to just stay that the original recordings that appear on the EP were recording at this point, so I've included a specific reference here. It goes into detail about when failed recordings sessions happened in the article already.
Andrzejbanas (
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16:33, 20 June 2016 (UTC)reply
It's just to change a bit the repetitive vocabulary.
as often found themselves with unusable recordings over several different studios → since it found themselves often with unusable tracks over several different studios
contributing guitar to the song "Jr" → playing the guitar on the song "Jr"
Not sure if I want to say this as it sounds like John Engle didn't play guitar on this section if I phrase it this way. But changed in the meantime for now. Maybe makie "played additional guitar" or something.
Andrzejbanas (
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16:33, 20 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Barely Real had one single released and was initially released in Germany through Sub Pop, followed by release in the United States in 1993. → the single was?
"To prepare for the tour, Codeine and Bastro met in a studio to record the song "Produkt" and "A l'Ombre de Nouse" as a seven-inch single for the label Glitterhouse. The two groups alternated as the headlining band and toured for 18 nights in Austria, Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands, and Switzerland. Chris Brokaw commented that the group had very mixed reactions from the audiences. In Vienna, the group played to 600 people who "hung on to every note we played" and that it was "one of the best shows of my life". In contrast, they later played in Austria to an audience of 70 or 80 where he felt that the audience would "just walk up and beat us senseless". → Shouldn't this be in the tour section, move it.
I think it's a bit chronologically confusing to move this section to that. What I'm trying to point here is when the songs "Produkt" and "A l'Ombre de Nouse" were recorded and what the band was doing prior to recording Barely Real. The two previously mentioned songs were included as bonus tracks on the re-release of the EP, so I think mentioning them here is appropriate. Maybe I should just drop out some more of the tour location stuff and keep the song recording information.
Andrzejbanas (
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16:33, 20 June 2016 (UTC)reply
It occurred to me that you could do two sections one called "Background" and other called "production", this way the information in each section would be better distributed.
MarioSoulTruthFan (
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09:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Immerwahr was not content with the recordings, noting several issues: he was unhappy with his own vocals, he wanted the group to be record slower tempos, and that he heard high pitched noises in the recordings that no one else could hear → Immerwahr was not content with the recordings, noting several issues such as: his vocals, he wanted to record slower tempos, and the presence of high pitched noises in the recordings that no one else could hear.
We need to fix this again. It still doesn't sound okay this part "he wanted to record slower tempos". I was thinking about "the presence of too many uptempos"?
MarioSoulTruthFan (
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18:51, 20 June 2016 (UTC)reply
After recording the album, Brokaw left Codeine to focus on his band Come. Brokaw later stated that "Leaving Codeine broke my heart. We all still liked each other". After giving notice to the rest of the band, Engle and Immerwahr did a music video for "Realize" without Brokaw. Engle explained that it took a while replace Brokaw. When he placed a classified ad in a New York paper, he ended up "flooded with calls" and that "Half of them hadn't heard Codeine. I'd say, well, we play a very particular style that you should really know about". The group chose Doug Scharin, who had attended Codeine's first show in Boston." → It has nothing to do with this section, he still recorded the drums for this EP!
Not exactly true. The tour that went along with the EP did not have him in the group, I'm sure some readers would like to know how the band found a replacement so fast.
Andrzejbanas (
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16:33, 20 June 2016 (UTC)reply
This section is jut too big, you have to reduce it. It's three times the size of the others.
I'm thinking of cutting down the tour information that's early in production, just maybe state they toured with Bastro and recorded those songs and that it was a European tour. Any suggestions on what else to cut?
Andrzejbanas (
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16:33, 20 June 2016 (UTC)reply
"Stephen Immerwhar, who wrote the lyrics to the original songs on Barely Real described composing lyrics as "probably the hardest work. Not that we have these prodigious texts, but there's a consistency between the lyrical subject and content and the presentation of the music". → Stephen Immerwhar, who wrote the lyrics to the original songs on Barely Real, described composing these lyrics as "probably the hardest work. Not that we have these prodigious texts, but there's a consistency between the lyrical subject and content and the presentation of the music". → he only found it hard for this album, be careful with the full stops and quotes.
"When being asked about the lyrics on Barely Real and The White Birch..." → When he was asked regarding the lyrics on Barely Real and The White Birch...
"And I was figuring out that there were different sources of the same feelings that seemed to inspire earlier Codeine songs" → doesn't concur to the previous quote, because he was talking in the third person (narrator) and now is in the first person (Immerwhar), keep the person and the tenses.
)." while a review of the compilation album When I See The Sun → comma before "while" and that doesn't sound like a comparsiion at all it needs words like "when comparing" or "while comparing"; unlink "When I See The Sun".
"Whatever kind of oppositional nature that Codeine had, I think it was more just the kind of over-the-top histrionic singing, the screaming of grunge bands and riffing and so on. Part of our reaction was a different mood, a different mood to our music and playing … It wasn't like, ‘Oh, we’re going to slow things down, that’s gonna mess people up.’ But certainly slowing things down and experiencing that, it was challenging for people and challenging for audiences. And I actually kind of like that." → use your own words every now and then, quote is just too long.
Ned Raggett (AllMusic) stated → AllMusic gave them two reviews or one is "contemporary" and the other is "retrospective", if that is the case you must say it and AllMusic's Ned Raggett commented.
Prior to the release of the EP, a single for "Barely Real" was released on July 1, 1992. It was released on as a seven-inch single on clear and whtie vinyl limited to 2,933 copies. → what was the single name?
Immerwahr connected this with the bands own lyrical themes of an impossible need to connect with others → re-write.
Tried to fix this up.
Following the European release of the album, Codeine and the band Love Child did a five-week European tour in late 1992. When the tour went through Vienna in 1992, the group stopped to visit the palace. → merge in one sentence.
Needs a release history in the bottom with (country, date, format and label)
I am not really fond of these sections as I have no source for the formats and most people who do, just steal information from fan sites (fails
WP:RS) and Discogs.com (which is also just user submitted material. I should know, I've submitted things myself). Adding this section, wouldn't add more information that isn't already in the prose. So for now I've added with what information I have, but I don't really find much use in it.
Andrzejbanas (
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15:19, 24 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Amazon I feel is a pretty weak source, as it' not really researched (nor does it state where it gets its information from). I like finding information from more specific sources, not a site that sells everything from albums to lightbulbs.
Andrzejbanas (
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06:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Washington Post, Melody Maker, Alternative Press, Virgin Encyclopedia of Nineties Music should all be included in the scoreboard. You can have up to ten.
I'm against saying things like "favourable" or "very favourable" or "damn near negative" etc. for these sections in the rating box as they become easily slanted towards users (i.e: people like changing things from "positive" to "very positive", etc.) and it's not that these users are wrong, but it's just an interpretation. It's not stated explicitly in
WP:ALBUMS anywhere that I can find, but we generally try to keep numeric, star, and grades there, not just interpretations.
Andrzejbanas (
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16:38, 20 June 2016 (UTC)reply
"Charles Aaron of Spin, reviewed the single "Realize", stating that the song "inches along as if Codeine's still wondering whether it's worth the effort". The b-side "Broken-hearted Wine" was described as a song that "coolly walks a delicate line between delibitating sadness and cartoon regret." → it doesn't talk about the album, only the single.
I kind of want to keep this in either way as it's still a contemporary review, and as the single really doesn't merit it's own article, I think information on any kind of reception (for a release from a relatively obscure band, and their even more relatively obscure single) could stand as it's still part of the reception and shows that it still received press coverage.
Andrzejbanas (
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13:27, 24 June 2016 (UTC)reply
If the source talks about the album you only have to say that those songs contributed for the albums genre, for instance, you must find a away of linking those songs to the album.
MarioSoulTruthFan (
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22:19, 26 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Use other words replacing "stating" or "stated" → said, explained, commented...
Wasn't the album produced by Mike McMacklin and Codeine, so what is?
Not sure what is being asked here. Yes, the album was producer credits are for both those two. What is what? :)
Andrzejbanas (
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Those tracks don't have time listings on the vinyl. I have a CD with those tracks I believe, I'll double check them when I'm home today.
Andrzejbanas (
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15:11, 24 June 2016 (UTC)reply
Stephen Immerwahr, Ned Raggett and others are wilinked several times. Only the first time they appear on the article need wikilink, otherwise is WP:Overlinking
"It received positive reviews from Melody Maker and the Alternative Press on its initial release". → elaborate a little more, some sentences with them praising the album.
"The album received positive reviews from Spin and Pitchfork Media". → change "positive reviews" to something else, it avoids repetitive vocabulary; plus same as previous.
"Immerwahr was not content with the tracks, noting several issues such as: his vocals, he wanted to record slower tempos, and the presence of high pitched noises in the songs that no one else could hear". → he wanted to record slower tempos, this particular sentence doesn't flow in there, "the lack of slower tempos recorded"?
"Engle explained that it took a while replace Brokaw" → it could use something else, perhaps the reason if you merge with the following sentence it wouldn't be a bad idea at all.