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Sign -OOUI JS Saurav Mazumder Id-2409:4065:E:250E:68D4:C791:AF35:BEFE. Trappist the monk plz correct the demography of lakhipur tehsil of cachar district in the trend section of Barak Valley. The existing number of Hindus and Muslims mentioning there is of lakhipur tehsil of Goalpara district and not of cachar as there are two lakhipur tehsils in Assam. Earlier I have requested in the Talk:Barak valley page but you didn't have responded it yet. Here's the link https://www.s/www.censusindia.co.in/amp/subdistrict/lakhipur-circle-cachar-assam-2100 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4065:D82:2973:401C:769F:2AC3:B632 ( talk) 05:10, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
There was a wrong number citations of Hindu and Muslim population in the trends section of lakhipur tehsil of Cachar district. Lakhipur tehsil have a hindu majority. The lakhipur Hindu and Muslim population here in the trend section is that of Goalapra district tehsil not of the Cachar as there are two lakhipur tehsils in Assam. Here, below is the real link of Lakhipur tehsil demography of cachar. https://www.s/www.censusindia.co.in/amp/subdistrict/lakhipur-circle-cachar-assam-2100. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4065:E1E:D337:5C94:7D1E:D591:3C3B ( talk) 07:58, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
There was a wrong number citations of Hindu and Muslim population in the trends section of lakhipur tehsil of Cachar district. Lakhipur tehsil have a hindu majority. The lakhipur Hindu and Muslim population here in the trend section is that of Goalapra district tehsil not of the Cachar as there are two lakhipur tehsils in Assam. Here, below is the real link of Lakhipur tehsil demography of cachar. https://www.s/www.censusindia.co.in/amp/subdistrict/lakhipur-circle-cachar-assam-2100. Plz Change/edit it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4065:E:250E:68D4:C791:AF35:BEFE ( talk) 17:00, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
It would be important to reconsider whether the actual dialect of the majority of the people of the valley has remained purely sylheti, or has attained a new linguistic form of its own. I propose to change it to cachari (to distinguish it from indigenous Kachari) to mark the evolution of the dialect into a new one with the amalgamation of a much larger retinue of colloquial assamese words. Azorahai26 ( talk) 17:46, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Yep Rituparno Dhar ( talk) 15:31, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
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Sylheti is spoken by the majority in Barak valley. It is a fact! Though it might not be reflected in census data accurately. It is also used for inter ethnic communication. Why is it placed after Bengali and Hindi?? Truthfulsoldier ( talk) 20:42, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Fylindfotberserk: scroll.in is 'unreliable' here but scroll.in is considered valid in the statehood demand section ? Keep your dumb Bengali nationalism out of Assam. Stay neutral or refrain from editing Assam & Tripura related pages. These sources are more valid than self-declared typical Bengali "historians" like Bhattcharjee who "believes" stuffs. Tizen03 ( talk) 12:35, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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Plz change the trends section lakhipur tehsil Hindu Muslim population as it is totally wrong according to 2011 census Hindus are majority in Lakhipur tehsil. 2409:4065:280:446F:2129:F30F:296:19BD ( talk) 16:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
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www.censusindia.co.in/subdistrict/lakhipur-circle-cachar-assam-2100 here is the reference of my Earlier claim based upon the hindu Muslim population of lakhipur tehsil... In the wikipedia it is wrong as because the lakhipur tehsil demography here is of Goalpara district. 2409:4065:280:446F:9BC2:795C:68BC:2AB ( talk) 19:29, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
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www.censusindia.co.in/subdistrict/lakhipur-circle-cachar-assam-2100 here is the reference of my Earlier claim based upon the hindu muslim population of lakhipur tehsil... In the wikipedia it is wrong as because the Lakhipur tehsil demography here is of Goalpara district and not that of Cachar. Change X (Lakhipur circle Hindu 48,692 (17.42%), Muslim 226,120 (80.88%) into Y (Hindu 178,163 (61.04%) and Muslim 95,476 (32.71%) as it is the correct trends based on demography part. Another change is the description that X (Hindus are majority in two tehsils of Cachar district namely Silchar and Udharbond, while Muslims are majority in Lakhipur, Katigora and Sonai circle according to 2011 census) into Y (Hindus are majority into three tehsils of Cachar district namely Silchar, Udharbond and Lakhipur, while Muslims are majority in Katigora, Sonai circle according to 2011 census). 2409:4065:D93:87D6:76AD:3631:DFF5:3A7C ( talk) 14:10, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
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the Lakhipur tehsil demography here is of Goalpara district and not that of Cachar. Change X (Lakhipur circle Hindu 48,692 (17.42%), Muslim 226,120 (80.88%) into Y (Hindu 178,163 (61.04%) and Muslim 95,476 (32.71%) as it is the correct trends based on demography part. Another change is the description that X (Hindus are majority in two tehsils of Cachar district namely Silchar and Udharbond, while Muslims are majority in Lakhipur, Katigora and Sonai circle according to 2011 census) into Y (Hindus are majority into three tehsils of Cachar district namely Silchar, Udharbond and Lakhipur, while Muslims are majority in Katigora, Sonai circle according to 2011 census). Here is the references -: [1] 2409:4065:D89:B355:262F:EAAD:4F82:8D9F ( talk) 14:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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In the wikipedia it is wrong as because the Lakhipur tehsil demography here is of Goalpara district and not that of Cachar. Change X (Lakhipur circle Hindu 48,692 (17.42%), Muslim 226,120 (80.88%) into Y (Hindu 178,163 (61.04%) and Muslim 95,476 (32.71%) as it is the correct trends based on demography part. Another change is the description that X (Hindus are majority in two tehsils of Cachar district namely Silchar and Udharbond, while Muslims are majority in Lakhipur, Katigora and Sonai circle according to 2011 census) into Y (Hindus are majority into three tehsils of Cachar district namely Silchar, Udharbond and Lakhipur, while Muslims are majority in Katigora, Sonai circle according to 2011 census). Below is the official governmental link, plz check it out. www.censusindia.gov.in › dchbPDF Cachar - DISTRICT CENSUS HANDBOOK 2409:4065:E00:8EBF:8AA4:4DC4:5ED7:D519 ( talk) 18:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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In the wikipedia it is wrong as because the Lakhipur tehsil demography here is of Goalpara district and not that of Cachar. Change X (Lakhipur circle Hindu 48,692 (17.42%), Muslim 226,120 (80.88%) into Y (Hindu 178,163 (61.04%) and Muslim 95,476 (32.71%) as it is the correct trends based on demography part. Another change is the description that X (Hindus are majority in two tehsils of Cachar district namely Silchar and Udharbond, while Muslims are majority in Lakhipur, Katigora and Sonai circle according to 2011 census) into Y (Hindus are majority into three tehsils of Cachar district namely Silchar, Udharbond and Lakhipur, while Muslims are majority in Katigora, Sonai circle according to 2011 census). Below is the official governmental link, plz check it out. etrace.in › Census › Subdistrict Web results Villages and Towns of Lakhipur Tehsil of District ... - Etrace.in 2409:4065:403:DE41:53:CAD1:4A91:28B4 ( talk) 16:25, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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In the wikipedia it is wrong as because the Lakhipur tehsil demography here is of Goalpara district and not that of Cachar. Change X (Lakhipur circle Hindu 48,692 (17.42%), Muslim 226,120 (80.88%) into Y (Hindu 178,163 (61.04%) and Muslim 95,476 (32.71%) as it is the correct trends based on demography part. Another change is the description that X (Hindus are majority in two tehsils of Cachar district namely Silchar and Udharbond, while Muslims are majority in Lakhipur, Katigora and Sonai circle according to 2011 census) into Y (Hindus are majority into three tehsils of Cachar district namely Silchar, Udharbond and Lakhipur, while Muslims are majority in Katigora, Sonai circle according to 2011 census). Below is the link [1] 2409:4065:403:DE41:C229:E4C5:39C:A880 ( talk) 17:52, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
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In the wikipedia it is wrong as because the Lakhipur tehsil demography here is of Goalpara district and not that of Cachar. Change X (Lakhipur circle Hindu 48,692 (17.42%), Muslim 226,120 (80.88%) into Y (Hindu 178,163 (61.04%) and Muslim 95,476 (32.71%) as it is the correct trends based on demography part. Another change is the description that X (Hindus are majority in two tehsils of Cachar district namely Silchar and Udharbond, while Muslims are majority in Lakhipur, Katigora and Sonai circle according to 2011 census) into Y (Hindus are majority into three tehsils of Cachar district namely Silchar, Udharbond and Lakhipur, while Muslims are majority in Katigora, Sonai circle according to 2011 census). Below is the link [1] 2409:4065:E99:37F2:DFA:63C6:B2D2:6EE4 ( talk) 07:33, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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I have created this section to for us to collaborate on immigration/refugee issues in this article. Chaipau ( talk) 14:34, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
(Continued from User_talk:Chaipau#Barak_valley) Chaipau ( talk) 14:36, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
The state demand, Barak_Valley#Statehood_demand, require proper reliable sources. Who is making this demand, which districts are being demanded, etc. Right now, most of the citations are about Mamta Banerjee, who is a chief minister from West Bengal, and who is not from Barak Valley. Most of the news reports are on the NRC issue. If reliable sources are not available, then we will have to delete the entire section, irrespective of the citation-packing. Pinging Fylindfotberserk. Chaipau ( talk) 00:11, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Silchar is the proposed capital of Barak state– is not supported by the accompanying source ( [7]) which isn't reliable either. The first sentence of the article which has reliable sources seems to be SYNTH-ridden. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 12:22, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Yes soon it will be updated. Pitush Puttar ( talk) 14:32, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
One thing how come "The Statesman article" is not a reliable source in that context which you have removed by citing NPOV. Can you explain? Pitush Puttar ( talk) 02:21, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
@IP, these additions have been reverted, since the sources are not verifiable/can't be crosschecked. Please find reliable sources from government agencies for census purpose. And first propose the changes here in Talk:Barak Valley per WP:BRD and WP:CONSENSUS, so that the content is verifiable and without any original researches. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 17:39, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
The source https://cachar.gov.in/information-services/history-of-cachar from the official Assam Govt. website have clearly stated the origin of the word Cachar in best two possibilities.
1st theory of possibilities The Kacharis gave this name Cachar when they ruled this land.
2nd theory of possibilities The word Kachar in Sylhette (Bengali of Sylhet) means a stretch of land at the foot of a mountain. Hence the name Cachar might have been given by Bengalies of Sylhet as the land is surrounded by mountains. Pitush Puttar ( talk) 05:41, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
Speculations are for you people. Citation have clearly mentioned two possibilities one from the Cachari Kingdom and another from Sylheti language origin. The citation is taken from official website of Cachar district of Assam and you are saying it's not authentic and maintained by webmasters and all. Does the official citation state that it is being maintained by webmasters who write anything. Lol. If history from official website of Cachar is not authentic then what will be authentic source ?
You said - Please discuss these speculations in "Cachar" named articles
The controversy have stated here and know you are saying to discuss it in Cachar page. Are you out of your mind or you don't understand English? The name Barak is of recent origin and before that it was known or called as Cachar Valley. So that history of Etymology of Cachar should be there in accordance with the article as without it Etymology is incomplete/invalid. Pitush Puttar ( talk) 18:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
Don't your understand English or what ? The name Barak is of recent origin nd before that it was known as Cachar valley as a whole. Regarding moving this to those articles which you have mentioned is fine but this doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be here. So Etymology of Barak is incomplete without mentioning the Etymology of Cachar (the original name of the valley before Karimganj was merged into it).
I hope you understand brother. Pitush Puttar ( talk) 03:55, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
The name Barak is a new name and before that it was known as "Cachar Valley" (Govinda Chandra's Cachar kingdom). It may be a different region today due to present administration setup & conditions, but it's historical geography can't be ignored for present scenario based on administration as simple as that. Karimganj was a part of Sylhet Division and was merged into the valley soon after partition (Sylhet referendum). Thereafter it was re-named as "Barak" & that's why I have stated above that the name Barak is of recent origin in previous discussions page. Before that it was Cachar Valley comprising today's administrative geographical Districts of - Cachar, North Cachar Hills and Hojai as well.
So, in order to know the present we need to know the past Etymology of that area as well. So, There is a need to define the etymology of Cachar in this article because a portion of Cachar Valley that is plain Cachar or Cachar district is still located at Barak valley Division. Regarding Hailakandi, It was created in 1989 by Assam government and before that it was a part of Cachar plains or Greater Cachar district. A big portion of historical Cachar valley is in Barak valley & Barak valley was well known as Cachar Valley before 1947 as a whole. So, Etymology of Cachar should have a consideration in this way in this page because of all those reasons that I have told/stated you above.
Regarding moving this to those articles which you have mentioned is fine but this doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be here. Pitush Puttar ( talk) 02:36, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
I know what Etymology stands for and I am discussing its historical geographical aspects only for your understanding and convenience. Oow brother, I am not talking about about historical geography of Barak valley but actually talking about present Etymology (Barak) and It's past Etymology (Cachar) name.
If the present and recent Etymology "Barak" is there, then Past Etymology "Cachar" (The original and past name of the valley) should be also there.
Historical Etymology go hand in hand with Present Etymology and without mentioning the past we can't know the present. In that context, It's very important to mentioned otherwise there will be confusion and this will create controversy.
Barak name is recently given. Before that the geographical area of Cachar hills (today's Dima Hasao) and Cachar plains (today's Cachar and Hailakandi) are together known as Cachar Valley (Kingdom of Govinda Chandra and Tularam as you have mentioned above).
So mentioning Historical "Cachar" Etymology is very important as today's historical Cachar Valley plains (That is Cachar and Hailakandi) are located in Barak valley region which is of recent origin.
I hope now you understand. Pitush Puttar ( talk) 14:30, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
The article - Clearly mentioned that Barak valley excluding Karimganj as a whole was once called or known as Cachar Valley and the origin of the name "Cachar" have two possibilities with reliable reference.
So it's talking about Past Etymology of geographical area what is now known as "Barak". The term "Cachar" Etymology was there since from the ancient time & Barak was once called or known as Cachar as a whole (the original and long lasting name of the valley till 1947 prior to the inclusion of Karimganj in it).
Today, they are divided because of administrative purpose but this doesn't changed the fact that Historical Etymology "Cachar" shouldn't be here. Pitush Puttar ( talk) 14:40, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
Why are you making the things complicated man?? Don't you understand or what? When did I say ? Please stop act like stupid.
I have said that Cachar Hills and Cachar plains were together constitute Cachar Valley before Karimganj was being merged into it and that Cachar valley is the kingdom of Cachari Kingdom (Govinda Chandra's and Tularam respectively) which includes Barak's Cachar and Hailakandi and Autonomous North Cachar Hills today.
Cachar Valley that constitute Kingdom of Cachar (Hailakandi, Cachar and North Cachar hills) excluding Karimganj constitute Kingdom of Cachar or Dimasa Cachari Kingdom.
Before pointing finger directly on me just know that it's not you/me but the citations that have mentioned it I.e the two possible possibilities in the article.
Where did I say Karimganj was a part of Cachar before 1947 in the above discussions? When did I say Barak valley is another name of Cachar Valley? Lol. It was the past name of Barak valley and the name "Barak" is of recent origin.
& yeah that Kingdom of Cachar is the Cachar Valley of the past.
Cachar valley (Kingdom of Cachar) was the old name of Barak valley.
You last sentence- Etymologies have no meaning when it comes to historical geography.
I have stated that I was explaining you about the geographical history of the region before coming to Etymology & yeah I am talking about historical Etymology & not historical Geography. Mind it.
Plus, Cachar Valley (Kingdom of Cachar) comprising NC Hills, Cachar and Hailakandi) together is the old name of Barak valley.
If Barak (present Etymology is mentioned for the region) then why not Cachar (past Etymology/name of the region) which have a valid point as far historical Etymology is concerned. Pitush Puttar ( talk) 16:12, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
The source [1] have clearly mentioned that "The Bengalis have been living in Barak valley since the dawn of their civilization in Sovereign Bengal".
That same source that is [1] In its chapter 2 (Early history of Barak valley) have also clearly mentioned that "The region of Barak valley was included into several Indian kingdoms most particularly Pragjyotisha, Samatata, Gauda, Harikela and Banga".
The source is reliable as per as Wikipedia:Reliable sources and hence I have reverted back your edit. Pitush Puttar ( talk) 08:05, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
In its (Preface part) It have clearly mentioned that "Sylheti (Cachari) speaking people have been living in Barak valley since the dawn of their civilization in Sovereign Bengal". Pitush Puttar ( talk) 08:39, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
Page numbers are not mentioned only Chapters are mentioned which I have stated you above.
For the one no. That is, "The Bengalis have been living in Barak valley since the dawn of their civilization in Sovereign Bengal" is present in (Preface) part of the article. It is located at the topmost part.
2nd no. That is "The region of Barak valley was included into several Indian kingdoms most particularly Pragjyotisha, Samatata, Gauda, Harikela and Banga" is present in the Chapter- 2 under the title - (Early history of Barak valley) respectively. Pitush Puttar ( talk) 03:59, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Pitush Puttar: What does "Sovereign Bengal" even mean here ? Define that first. And no, the source isn't even reliable. That is the only source available on the internet that talks about "Bengalis living since the dawn of Sovereign Bengal".
And there's no such thing as "Cachari", it's a term used by colonial era Bengali Muslims settlers of Cachar Valley. The actual word is "Kachari" which refers to a number of different but related native ethnic groups throughout Northeast which includes groups like Chutia people, Sonowal Kachari people, Dimasa people and many more. Tizen03 ( talk) 14:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
@ Chaipau: Kindly do look into this matter Tizen03 ( talk) 14:41, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
The source is reliable as per as Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
No more nonsense discussion needed. Pitush Puttar ( talk) 15:02, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
And moreover kingdoms like Vanga, Gauda never even ruled Sylhet or any neighboring areas, yet your reference mentioned that Barak Valley was a part of such kingdoms, that alone proves how "reliable" your source was. Provide references for that or it will be removed as well.
Tizen03 ( talk) 13:12, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
I have provided a reliable source and you are repeatedly removing it. You are continuously targeting Bengali community living in Barak valley and it is against the principles of Wikipedia policies.
The source clearly states that Bengalis have been living in Barak valley since the dawn of their civilization in Sovereign Bengal in its foreword and preface part.
The citation is reliable as per as Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
& yeah Wikipedia go by source and not by your opinion.
Keep your opinions within yourself as Wikipedia go by source and not by your opinion.
And now that historian dude is random. Hahaha what a joke. His claims derived from all the sources provided by in his book.
Pitush Puttar ( talk) 17:15, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
@ Fylindfotberserk: Have a look. Pitush Puttar ( talk) 17:27, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
@ SalamAlayka: @ Snusho: @ Saurmandal: @ Materialscientist:@ Arjayay:
Just see what he' saying.
In the source [1] historian Atiqur Rahman have clearly stated that "Bengalis have been living in Barak Valley since the dawn of their civilization in Sovereign Bengal. This sentence is clearly located in foreword and preface part of the source (topmost part) and User: @Tizen03 is continuously deleting that line from Barak valley wiki page continuously.
Pitush Puttar ( talk) 17:47, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Brainless fellow, try to have some brain. It's seems that you have some mental issues with Bengali people or you are out of your brain. Try to become less Bengaliphobiac. It will be good for your mental health. & yeah Keep your dumb assumptions out of Wikipedia. You are not the owner of Wikipedia.
The history that you are claiming is without references and Wikipedia run on reliable references and not on your dumb advises, assumptions on history.
Go and find some references that claims that bengalis have not been living in Barak valley since the dawn of their civilization in Sovereign Bengal. Can you ? I bet no.
Go and find some sources which says that Barak valley was never a part of Gauda and Banga Kingdom. Can you ? I bet no.
Wikipedia go by reference and that book (Indigenous People of Barak Valley by Atiqur Rahman) have clearly stated that -
Bengalis have been living in Barak valley since the dawn of their civilization in Sovereign Bengal in foreword and preface part. And yeah it have nothing to do with Mughal Empire as you are mentioning there.
Lol! half knowledge is dangerous.
The same reference have clearly stated the ruling dynasties of Barak valley in accordance with time that "The region of Barak valley was included into several Indian kingdoms most particularly Pragjyotisha, Samatata, Gauda, Harikela and Banga during its course of history. During 6th to 7th century, the Region was under the rule of Pragjyotisha-Kamrupa Kingdom. During 11th century AD, the region of Barak was under the rule of Shrihattha state. After the fall of that empire, Barak valley came under the rule of Tripuri kings". It have mentioned Kamrupa Kingdom which you are stating in the above again and again. It have also mentioned that - Chilarai, the Koch general have captured the region in 1562 AD and ruled it for several years. In the 17th-century, the last Koch ruler's daughter married the king of the Kachari kingdom, and the rule of Khaspur passed into the hands of the Kachari rulers, who eventually moved their capital from Maibang (North Cachar Hills) to Khaspur (Cachar plains). Under Hairamba kingdom the Dimasa Kachari kingdom have flourished again who have established their capital at Khaspur, Plains of Cachar and in 1832 AD the Kachari kingdom lost its sovereignty and eventually came to an end because Britishers have captured the region as an invading force.
So, What are you trying to proof?
I just can't stop my laughing.
Pitush Puttar ( talk) 18:27, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Half brain born 🤡 hate mongers like you are disgusting phenomenon in a platform like Wikipedia.
Keep your propaganda out of this page.
No certificate is needed what sources are reliable or what are not from you.
It seems you haven't read Wikipedia:Reliable sources. I can't help you if you cant read that. Sorry. Pitush Puttar ( talk) 06:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Do whatever your half brain tells you to do. It doesn't change the fact and that reliable citation.
1-"Go and find some references that claims that Bengalis have not been living in Barak valley since the dawn of their civilization in Sovereign Bengal." - There are no references that proves that to begin with.
So What Atiqur Rahman reference have claimed from the beginning? Lol 🤣! Kiddo do learn some English first. & now you are saying he is not historian and a random dude. Where is the proof that he is random dude and not historian? Where is that citation? Have you find it ?
Don't teach me history. Wikipedia go by reference & not by your bla bla black sheep opinions. Pitush Puttar ( talk) 06:35, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
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This article has major NPOV and OR issues. Tagging @ Fylindfotberserk. It is using very non-standard names ("Cachar Valley" for Kachari kingdom, etc.) for one. Chaipau ( talk) 15:56, 5 July 2023 (UTC)