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I see no useful purpose for Baptism by fire to exist, separate from Baptism with the Holy Spirit. I propose that any useful content from that article be moved into this one, and that article be turned into a disambiguation page. - 71.223.123.164 ( talk) 16:58, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
This proposal to merge seems to have died from a lack of interest. Last call for comments, otherwise, this proposal should be closed and the merge template removed. Ignocrates ( talk) 16:49, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
User:H799646 added the following sub-section entitled "Cathars" to the "Views" section. Given the fact that this is a good article, I thought it appropriate to move this unsourced section here until such time as the original contributor or someone else adds sources. Because the Cathars are a historical movement, I wonder also if this material would be more appropriate in the "History" section?
Consolamentum was the unique sacrament of the Cathars. According to the Albigenses and other Cathars, the consolamentum was a baptism with the Holy Spirit. It implied reception of all spiritual gifts including absolution from sin, spiritual regeneration, and the power to preach and elevation to a higher plane of perfection. In common with Christianity, Cathars believed in original sin, and, like Gnostics, believed temporal pleasure to be sinful or unwise. The process of living thus inevitably incurred 'regret' that required 'consolation' to move nearer to God or to approach heaven. It occurred only twice in a lifetime: upon confirmation in the faith and upon impending death. It was available to both men and women who made a commitment to the faith.[citation needed] Following the ceremony the consoled individual became a "Cathar Perfect"
Any thoughts? Ltwin ( talk) 04:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Also, until such time as sources are added, I have added a link to Consolamentum to the "See also" section. Ltwin ( talk) 04:56, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
98.208.162.177 posted this comment on 29 June 2013 ( view all feedback).
A clearer mor eaborate teaching of the baptism INTO the Holy Spirit
Any thoughts?
Ltwin ( talk) 08:03, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Historically the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) emphasized the Baptism of the Spirit, more so than other protestant traditions. For example this essay: http://digitalcommons.georgefox.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1016&context=ccs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.58.117.246 ( talk) 20:45, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
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