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Consistency is just one of the 5 criteria for a good article title, but the short title I am proposing meets the rest of the 4 criteria. My opinion is that a single criterion, that of adherence to consistency, is not enough justification to oppose the move. In addition, if we are talking about consistency, this move request is actually consistent with many, many other move requests on other municipalities in the Philippines that have been successful in the past several years. —
seav (
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09:39, 3 October 2018 (UTC)reply
Not the other four. NATURAL is irrelevant here, and the change hurts RECOGNIZABILITY. COMMONNAME supports the longer name. All the sources (terrible sources as they are) introduce "Bacolod-Kalawi" with or under "Lanao del Sur". I find the same with google searches. CONSISTENCY? It doesn't look as good as I remember on October 3 does it, but that is your
WP:GAME, you have been systematically moving pages to undermine the past consistency. Yes, I am aware that you are a long term active title minimalist working quietly to rename swathes of articles, hundreds per month in recent times
[1]. --
SmokeyJoe (
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23:46, 23 October 2018 (UTC)reply
Support: unnecessary disambiguation, over-PRECISION, etc. No need for unnecessarily long titles. No benefit from such titles. Let's be consistent with not using unnecessarily disambiguated titles. --
В²C☎21:02, 23 October 2018 (UTC)reply
"Unnecessary" is a very extreme word, and merely goes directly to the very narrow view that titles are just page identifiers and may as well be minimised. Many good things are "unnecessary". Consider recognisability. Consider how sources introduce the topic. --
SmokeyJoe (
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23:52, 23 October 2018 (UTC)reply
WP:PRECISE says: "titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that." (my emphasis in bold). If you want to call IAR, go ahead, but provide good reason. If your good reason is not specific to this article, but would apply to countless other titles, you might consider pursuing a policy change. --
В²C☎01:40, 24 October 2018 (UTC)reply
As we have discussed elsewhere, the language of PRECISE is pretty poorly composed. It should say "Titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article.". It needs fixing. It should not be for PRECISE to argue ANTIPRECISE. That said, this is not a PRECISE contention (the short form meets PRECISE), but RECOGNIZABILITY (longer is more recognizable), CONSISTENCY (pre sneaky pages moves, they were all longer) and COMMONNAME. --
SmokeyJoe (
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02:29, 24 October 2018 (UTC)reply
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