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Let’s standby and see how it is referred to in official media. Maybe revisit in a week and see what secondary sources say? It’s leading a consortium of companies, so we still don’t know if it will use the BAE name, consortium name, or something else yet.
Garuda28 (
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12:00, 17 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Clearly it isn't even planned out yet by defence companies and possibly not even going to take the name Tempest; Tempest is the name for the design team.
Sammartinlai (
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12:07, 17 July 2018 (UTC)reply
All the sources I’ve seen say tempest is both the name for the design team and the aircraft, but I agree, we should wait for more information.
Garuda28 (
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12:12, 17 July 2018 (UTC)reply
"British firms including BAE Systems, Leonardo, MBDA and Rolls-Royce, which have joined together with the RAF Rapid Capabilities Office to form ‘Team Tempest'" It therefore isn't just BAE and is more of a team.
Sammartinlai (
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12:26, 17 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Should probably rephrase. Every source but that one. Either way, that’s not the topic of what we’re discussing. I am agreeing with you we should hold off on a rename until we have more information.
Garuda28 (
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12:32, 17 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Agreed. The consortium has only been referred to as "Team Tempest" in official media so far, but that appears to be an unofficial working title. A more appropriate name will come out in due course. —
Sasuke Sarutobi (
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13:32, 17 July 2018 (UTC)reply
The Guardian article does state that "Tempest will be built by a consortium led by the British defence firm BAE Systems, with the engine-maker Rolls-Royce, the Italian aerospace company Leonardo and the pan-European missile manufacturer MBDA" (emphasis mine), so I suppose that counts. I am still skeptical that it is entirely confirmed and not an author's interpretation (given how recent this announcement is), but will accept it if others do. —
Sasuke Sarutobi (
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15:43, 20 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Yes, the announcement seemed to emphasise the "Team" aspect. Even Typhoon is often referred to in the UK media as the "BAE Systems Typhoon" when, of course, it is a four-nation, three-company consortium.
Martinevans123 (
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15:52, 20 July 2018 (UTC)reply
That was the reason for my skepticism; given the "Team" aspect, I was awaiting (and still am) the announcement of a holding company name like
Eurofighter is (consisting of Airbus, BAE Systems, and Leonardo - two of whom are in "Team Tempest"). That said, it was about fifteen years before "Typhoon" was named, so I suppose I can't be too patient. —
Sasuke Sarutobi (
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15:58, 20 July 2018 (UTC)reply
True. I do think the companies themselves likewise like to measure themselves by glowing column-inches (which probably sounds as sordid as it is), which is why I would prefer an official announcement of it being the "[Insert Consortium Name] Tempest". Not to be a dog with a bone, though, I still think something like
Tempest (aircraft) or
Tempest (proposed aircraft) is more appropriate — granted, it's not an experimental aircraft in the strictest sense of the term, but nor do I think it is definitively a "BAE Systems project", even given their ownership of the integration (and I'd presume airframe as well). —
Sasuke Sarutobi (
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17:19, 20 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Sorry I did move it without seeing the discussion here as it was so obviously wrong and it is clearly going to be built by BAe Systems, the other are just suppliers of equipment not that different from other modern aircraft projects. Rolls-Royce will supply the engines, Leonardo MW (a British Company (actually based in Scotland) nothing to do with the Italians) will supply EW equipment and MDBA will supply the missiles, I dont see any other airframe builders in there apart from BAES hence it as fairly obvious to call it the BAE Systems Tempest.
MilborneOne (
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18:29, 20 July 2018 (UTC)reply
We should make changes to the page because there were fundamental mistakes in the name and some details of the page. First of all, the name of the product is wrong. The name of the aircraft is “Tempest Combat Aircraft” not “BAE Systems Tempest”: BAE is not the owner of the project. As a consequence the first line also had to be changed: from “The BAE Systems Tempest is a proposed fighter aircraft concept…” to “The Tempest is a proposed fighter aircraft concept…”. Thoughts? Danpitr (
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11:31, 20 February 2020 (UTC)reply