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Can somebody please help me to understand the concept? Two examples
I read elsewhere that according to Bromley ex-devotees that are part of a countermovement do not tell the whole story, or not how they experienced it when they were still believers. I admit that this may be true sometimes because they consider the explanations that the movement gives or that they themselves gave as irrelevant or as not credible anymore and hence omit them.
To me it seems that violations of morality cannot be separetated from context and an interpretative framework which clearly tends to change significantly upon religious disaffiliation. Please correct me if I am wrong because I do not want to make the same mistake as Bromley and Shupe i.e. making sweeping generalizations and making a caricature of the motivations, and opinions of other people. Andries 06:33, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
See Talk:Controversies_about_Opus_Dei#Atrocity_stories_and_apostasy Andries ( talk) 21:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Duhaime does not oppose the views of Bromley, so Duhaime's view is in the wrong section or the section title is wrong: Duhaime admits that apostates tell atrocity stories, but he disagrees with the sentiment voiced by some that they should be be dismissed only be because of this reason. Andries ( talk) 21:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I think the statement by Zablocki was off-topic here. Andries ( talk) 21:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
The word "opposing" is incorrect, because no scholar holds the view that apostates are completely (un-)reliable. "Differing" is more correct. Andries ( talk) 14:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
This article is highly unclear, particularly the lead. Here's the first sentence: 'The term atrocity story (also referred to as atrocity tale) as defined by the American sociologists David G. Bromley and Anson D. Shupe refers to the symbolic presentation of action or events (real or imaginary) in such a context that they are made flagrantly to violate the (presumably) shared premises upon which a given set of social relationships should be conducted.' That doesn't tell you anything about what an 'atrocity story' is, what the term refers to, or why it's significant.
The article goes on to say 'The term "atrocity story" is controversial as it relates to the differing views amongst scholars about the credibility of the accounts of former members.' Former members of what? Scholars of what? It also links to a section of the article Apostate, which was presumably there once, but has now been removed. There then follows a quote that doesn't use the term 'atrocity story'. And so on.
After reading this article carefully several times, I was eventually able to figure out what it's about: controversial reports about cults/new religious movements by those who have left them. Why can't this article state that so simply? This article needs to be rewritten, and the rewritten version should make it absolutely clear:
Sorry if this sounds a bit angry - I'm not, I'm just frustrated that this article makes things so difficult for its readers. Robofish ( talk) 17:58, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I have to agree with you on how unclear this is. I was led here by a link on the page cults, in the context that many former members of cults use "atrocity stories". I have to admit; coming here, and reading the introduction/definition, hasn't helped me. I still have no idea what an atrocity story is. Is it possible for anyone who does to write out a far easier and simpler definition? Maybe at least an example? AbbasAD ( talk) 11:16, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
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